After hours of rumination; I realized the truth about GGG

[New England]

I guess hagler wouldn’t be considered as a great with that analogy in this day and age.

and why did both guys stay at 160 lbs?

the money!

hagler needed duran, leonard, and hearns to come to 160. adnt they did! he didn';t make his money early in his career, he made it at the end like golovkin did!

these guys all seem to forget that canelo wudn't fight golovkin until he'd slowed down. neither did cotto, martinez, the other lineal middleweight champions during golovkin's time in the US.



i'm not going to act like golovkin is a great like hagler, but there are a lot of similarities you can draw between the two careers. 168 hardly existed in hagler's time. in golovkin's time it has been, predictably, the lower tax bracket. would you fight bigger guys for less money, and maybe eliminate your chance to fight canelo and become champion in your division? i surely wouldn't!

[daggum]

i totally agree that HBO had alot to do with it...they loved paying him to knock out guys like curtis stevens...a guy who had lost to marcos primera and jesse brinkley.......they never once demanded him do something....just simply whipped out the checkbook for whatever fight they wanted and lead everyone to believe he was some machine....

barely a single major media outlet called him out for not fighting ward.....if you flip flop them the media would have killed ward if he tried avoiding that and had the lacking resume golovkin had

hbo loved the idea that they were selling a pale, middleweight, manny pacquiao to the audience....

we have explained to you enough times what happened and you willfully ignore it to further your agenda. ward avoided ggg. hbo wanted him to fight ggg. he tried to fight pavlik and sartison instead. hbo then kicked him off because of his unwillingness to fight the guys they wanted including ggg. somehow you spin that into ggg avoiding ward? how?

then 4 years later as get back he sent ggg an offer that called for him to preemptively delay the cotto-canleo fight and lock him up for a year. roc nation even confirmed this so why do you keep pretending? if he wanted to fight ggg he would have sent him an offer to fight now. not in a years time.

[daggum]

and why did both guys stay at 160 lbs?

the money!

hagler needed duran, leonard, and hearns to come to 160. adnt they did! he didn';t make his money early in his career, he made it at the end like golovkin did!

these guys all seem to forget that canelo wudn't fight golovkin until he'd slowed down. neither did cotto, martinez, the other lineal middleweight champions during golovkin's time in the US.



i'm not going to act like golovkin is a great like hagler, but there are a lot of similarities you can draw between the two careers. 168 hardly existed in hagler's time. in golovkin's time it has been, predictably, the lower tax bracket. would you fight bigger guys for less money, and maybe eliminate your chance to fight canelo and become champion in your division? i surely wouldn't!

what guys at 168 was he even supposed to fight? they never answer this honestly. he tried to fight froch and ward who were the 2 best and they both turned him down. froch chose retirement and ward chose pavlik/sartison and then to war with hbo and his promoter instead. james degale? abraham?

[W1LL]

Lol...when greats meet other greats, well usually the fights are somewhat close...by your logic no one would be great elite or pfp...certainly not Fury...unless you call re.tard dancing with Wlad for 12 rounds and getting KD twice after a tense first 6 rounds with Wilder, great.

I don't think people even think before they post on here...GGG has won every fight he's had in my, and many others' eyes...I don't really see the case for Nelo getting 6 rounds in either fight...and people have Canelo number 1 pfp...and GGG is 37 now lol...you just make no sense bro.

Hahaha! Are you implying that GGG has done anything that comes remotely close to Fury beating the longest-reigning Heavyweight champion, in his own backyard? He knocked elite Daniel Geale out wid a counterpunch doe!

[daggum]

you didn't debunk anything like I told you last time...you gave your warped version of reality

and your reason that ggg ducked ward is....oh he rejected his offer in 30 minutes!!! what was the offer dear lad? oh a complete joke offer. yeah he should have taken 3 days to think about it!

[daggum]

Hahaha! Are you implying that GGG has done anything that comes remotely close to Fury beating the longest-reigning Heavyweight champion, in his own backyard? He knocked elite Daniel Geale out wid a counterpunch doe!

well most people think he beat canelo in his prime. wlad was like 40 so yeah that would be considered better if you think he won. you probably dont judging by your posts so thats where the difference lies

[New England]

what guys at 168 was he even supposed to fight? they never answer this honestly. he tried to fight froch and ward who were the 2 best and they both turned him down. froch chose retirement and ward chose pavlik/sartison and then to war with hbo and his promoter instead. james degale? abraham?

there was a period of time when the ward fight was possible. both guys were with HBO, ward hadn't moved to 175 lbs yet. it just didn't make economic sense for either party. i think ward's team would have been "more willing" to take the fight, only because they had a flat out better fighter with 1-2 natural weigh classes in natural size. but they weren't going on a hunger strike for it.

two sides to every coin. most of you are not honest men.


if you were honest you'd tell the truth, "i'd take the most moneyf or the least amount of punishment, because getting hit in the head takes years off of your life."

[W1LL]

well most people think he beat canelo in his prime. wlad was like 40 so yeah that would be considered better if you think he won. you probably dont judging by your posts so thats where the difference lies

So getting a draw and a loss versus Canelo, is better than beating Wlad in his own backyard? You can call Wlad old in hindsight, but Fury was the underdog at +395, with Wlad at -510. Look how many of the BoxingScene "experts" picked Wlad: https://www.boxingscene.com/klitschk...ictions--98700. Appears to me you're trying to downplay Fury's ELITE acheivement after the event.

[Boxing_1013]

Hahaha! Are you implying that GGG has done anything that comes remotely close to Fury beating the longest-reigning Heavyweight champion, in his own backyard? He knocked elite Daniel Geale out wid a counterpunch doe!

That fight was in Germany...and yeah that great 86 punch landed masterclass by Fury against a 39 year old Wlad...is not as impressive imo as GGG beating Canelo twice in my eyes...also Fury wasn't even man enough to rematch Wlad, instead sitting out for almost 3 years...what a hero.

Yeah I think GGG beat Canelo better, twice, than whatever Fury did with Wlad...I wouldn't even call that boxing...it was like watching two fools dance for 12 rounds...no disrespect to Fury really, but not sure how that performance won him the belts...it was a pretty pathetic fight...hardly worth touting imo.

[Boxing_1013]

So getting a draw and a loss versus Canelo, is better than beating Wlad in his own backyard? You can call Wlad old in hindsight, but Fury was the underdog at +395, with Wlad at -510. Look how many of the BoxingScene "experts" picked Wlad: https://www.boxingscene.com/klitschk...ictions--98700. Appears to me you're trying to downplay Fury's ELITE acheivement after the event.

He averaged 7 punches landed per round...how is anyone really hyping up that performance.