Comments Thread For: Canelo Rips De La Hoya: You Can See There's No Loyalty in Him!

[MrRolltide91]

Canelo finna leave GBP

[Realizniguhnit]

You don't understand this business, do you? Promoter is supposed to work for boxer, not other way around no matter how it was in the past or whoever tells you otherwise. Just like a lawyer who advises you what to do, works for you and not other way around even though you follow lawyer's advice. Promoter can advise boxer who to fight, but it is for boxer to agree to this or not. Practically, it does come down to relationship and boxer's understanding of who is really in control. And these days more and more boxers understand who the boss is. And it is not a promoter.

And, if anything, typically it is the broadcaster who pays the promoter and then promoter pays the fighter, unless it is agreed that broadcaster pays each directly what they are entitled to.

People like you always making it seem like you know it all and clearly don't even know wtf you're talking about.

A promoter does just that, promotes boxing events. They find fighters to sign to a contract with their company and promote them by putting them in their promotional events. A fighter and promoter must abide by the contract or either can run into problems.

The reason Canelo has a bit more leeway than the average boxer is because he is the cash cow. Most fighters would either be put on the shelf or released for refusing fights so I don't know where you are getting this the boxer is the boss BS from. You also have no clue how boxers are paid because most receive advances and signing bonuses directly from the promoter upon signing.

Either way in the end Canelo is going to end up fighting who DAZN/GBP say he's going to fight in order to fulfill that lucrative contract he signed or he won't see all of the money. Period. So in the end he's really not the boss because he's not his own promoter FOH

[alexjust]

People like you always making it seem like you know it all and clearly don't even know wtf you're talking about.

A promoter does just that, promotes boxing events. They find fighters to sign to a contract with their company and promote them by putting them in their promotional events. A fighter and promoter must abide by the contract or either can run into problems.

The reason Canelo has a bit more leeway than the average boxer is because he is the cash cow. Most fighters would either be put on the shelf or released for refusing fights so I don't know where you are getting this the boxer is the boss BS from. You also have no clue how boxers are paid because most receive advances and signing bonuses directly from the promoter upon signing.

Either way in the end Canelo is going to end up fighting who DAZN/GBP say he's going to fight in order to fulfill that lucrative contract he signed or he won't see all of the money. Period. So in the end he's really not the boss because he's not his own promoter FOH

Did I get under your skin? Its that easy, huh?..

Nowhere in your hysterical tirade you pointed out an actual mistake in what I've said.

I discussed who actually pays boxers in the context of a post I responded to. When it comes to remuneration for the actual fights - I described exactly what happens, you, genius, focused on another aspect and thought that this aspect was the point of the discussion Comprehension skill is a good thing, you should try it.

Advances/signing bonuses - consider them investments or incentives, that is not what I was talking about. And, btw, advance is not a gift, an advance could be paid so that a fighter could fund his training camp, but once the fighter gets his purse, guess by how much this purse would be reduced and who that reduction would go to. The bottom line is - promoter is not the ultimate payer between promoter, boxer and broadcaster.

If you are looking to vent, find the actual topic, where you add knowledge rather than your hysteria

[Realizniguhnit]

Did I get under your skin? Its that easy, huh?..

Nowhere in your hysterical tirade you pointed out an actual mistake in what I've said.

I discussed who actually pays boxers in the context of a post I responded to. When it comes to remuneration for the actual fights - I described exactly what happens, you, genius, focused on another aspect and thought that this aspect was the point of the discussion Comprehension skill is a good thing, you should try it.

Advances/signing bonuses - consider them investments or incentives, that is not what I was talking about. And, btw, advance is not a gift, an advance could be paid so that a fighter could fund his training camp, but once the fighter gets his purse, guess by how much this purse would be reduced and who that reduction would go to. The bottom line is - promoter is not the ultimate payer between promoter, boxer and broadcaster.

If you are looking to vent, find the actual topic, where you add knowledge rather than your hysteria

I don't know all about getting under my skin or what would even led you believe you did, I guess maybe my response was a little to harsh for you? All I really did was state the facts since you have been so grossly misinformed.

I think you are the one that's getting a bit off subject here. The whole point of my 1st post was that promoters sign fighters to promote them in their events. The fighter is not the boss of the promoter, it's really more of a partnership but if anything the promoter is the boss, because he's the 1 setting up the promotional events, and so If a fighter doesn't like it maybe they should buy themselves out of their contract or ask for a release like Floyd and Oscar did, and see how just how hard it is to promote themselves. That's all.

[alexjust]

I don't know all about getting under my skin or what would even led you believe you did, I guess maybe my response was a little to harsh for you? All I really did was state the facts since you have been so grossly misinformed.

I think you are the one that's getting a bit off subject here. The whole point of my 1st post was that promoters sign fighters to promote them in their events. The fighter is not the boss of the promoter, it's really more of a partnership but if anything the promoter is the boss, because he's the 1 setting up the promotional events, and so If a fighter doesn't like it maybe they should buy themselves out of their contract or ask for a release like Floyd and Oscar did, and see how just how hard it is to promote themselves. That's all.

Don't jump the gun just yet. Setting up a promotional event (its a called a fight or a bout really, not a "promotional event", take it easy with euphemisms, this isn't a marketing seminar) is a step after boxer's acceptance of an opponent. And this is what determines who is the boss. A good promoter would be interested in helping his boxer to build the most successful career. And for that you need to be wise in selecting opponents, if a promoter tells boxer who to fight, rather than makes recommendations based on an overall career objectives and availability of opponents, then this promoter is the boss of a fighter. And a fighter is a bit of a gullible, desperate guy or girl trying to make a living. Or an idiot. Because ultimately the call who to fight is the prerogative of a fighter. And it should be this way.

The practical reality though may be different and depends on promoter, fighter and their relationship. The more you have accomplished in the sport, the less likely you would allow your promoter to boss you around.

Two examples:

1. When Hearn talks about Usyk's opponent (e.g. Chisora) he is talking about waiting for Usyk's instructions on who Usyk wants to fight. Hearn can make recommendations, but ulitmate call if for Usyk to make. This is the right relationship, IMO.

2. Canelo expressed his dissatisfaction with DLH and believed DLH overstep his role when DLH was talking about the third fight with GGG in a rather definitive terms. That is an example of a problematic relationship between promoter and a fighter. DLH needs to consult on these things with Canelo and get Canelo more involved before he can start blubbering about who Canelo will be fighting. DLH, just like any other promoter, needs to realize that their role is advisory and instruction-receiving rather than instruction-giving. Similar to lawyer's role.

Got that?

[Realizniguhnit]

Don't jump the gun just yet. Setting up a promotional event (its a called a fight or a bout really, not a "promotional event", take it easy with euphemisms, this isn't a marketing seminar) is a step after boxer's acceptance of an opponent. And this is what determines who is the boss. A good promoter would be interested in helping his boxer to build the most successful career. And for that you need to be wise in selecting opponents, if a promoter tells boxer who to fight, rather than makes recommendations based on an overall career objectives and availability of opponents, then this promoter is the boss of a fighter. And a fighter is a bit of a gullible, desperate guy or girl trying to make a living. Or an idiot. Because ultimately the call who to fight is the prerogative of a fighter. And it should be this way.

The practical reality though may be different and depends on promoter, fighter and their relationship. The more you have accomplished in the sport, the less likely you would allow your promoter to boss you around.

Two examples:

1. When Hearn talks about Usyk's opponent (e.g. Chisora) he is talking about waiting for Usyk's instructions on who Usyk wants to fight. Hearn can make recommendations, but ulitmate call if for Usyk to make. This is the right relationship, IMO.

2. Canelo expressed his dissatisfaction with DLH and believed DLH overstep his role when DLH was talking about the third fight with GGG in a rather definitive terms. That is an example of a problematic relationship between promoter and a fighter. DLH needs to consult on these things with Canelo and get Canelo more involved before he can start blubbering about who Canelo will be fighting. DLH, just like any other promoter, needs to realize that their role is advisory and instruction-receiving rather than instruction-giving. Similar to lawyer's role.

Got that?

Usyk has nothing to do with this he doesn't have many opponents for him or Hearn to chose from to begin with.

The subject of the article at hand is Canelo being disgruntled with his promoter. We are past the promoter making his fighter successful and selecting his opponents wisely, and If you knew how to properly read and comprehend you'd see I've already stated a promoters job is to get his fighter the most winnable and lucrative fights.

Now as I've said technically the promoter tells the fighter who and when he's fighting, or sometimes they'll give a fighter a list of names. I never said the fighter has absolutely no say so. That's why most have managers to help them in making their decision, but unless you are the cash cow it's never been wise to refuse a fight from your promoter because generally he isn't going to put you in a fight he thinks you can't win unless he's trying to cash you out. That's the facts.

So yes the promoter is technically the boss because he signs the fighters to his company that he owns. So you are his fighter. Why do you think fighters typically try to start their own promotional companies after a while? So they can be their own boss. How many times has Mayweather stated that so and so has a boss, but he is his own boss. Because that's what it is.

The fact of the matter is in Canelo's case he probably has to fight GGG whether he wants to or not because its likely he has obligations to fulfill embedded in his contract with DAZN/GBP whether he knows it or not. Those are ultimately his bosses, so in the end regardless of what you're saying Canelo will still end up fighting who they say he's going to fight, it's either that or he can retire cuz DAZN isn't looking to part with 300m for nothing in return.

So your whole argument is rather mute.

[alexjust]

Usyk has nothing to do with this he doesn't have many opponents for him or Hearn to chose from to begin with.

The subject of the article at hand is Canelo being disgruntled with his promoter. We are past the promoter making his fighter successful and selecting his opponents wisely, and If you knew how to properly read and comprehend you'd see I've already stated a promoters job is to get his fighter the most winnable and lucrative fights.

Now as I've said technically the promoter tells the fighter who and when he's fighting, or sometimes they'll give a fighter a list of names. I never said the fighter has absolutely no say so. That's why most have managers to help them in making their decision, but unless you are the cash cow it's never been wise to refuse a fight from your promoter because generally he isn't going to put you in a fight he thinks you can't win unless he's trying to cash you out. That's the facts.

So yes the promoter is technically the boss because he signs the fighters to his company that he owns. So you are his fighter. Why do you think fighters typically try to start their own promotional companies after a while? So they can be their own boss. How many times has Mayweather stated that so and so has a boss, but he is his own boss. Because that's what it is.

The fact of the matter is in Canelo's case he probably has to fight GGG whether he wants to or not because its likely he has obligations to fulfill embedded in his contract with DAZN/GBP whether he knows it or not. Those are ultimately his bosses, so in the end regardless of what you're saying Canelo will still end up fighting who they say he's going to fight, it's either that or he can retire cuz DAZN isn't looking to part with 300m for nothing in return.

So your whole argument is rather mute.

You are arguing for the sake of arguing. Mute or moot? If only you were capable of understanding the substantive point of what is being said to you. Instead of seeing the principle in my Usyk example you talk about Usyk not having many opponents. Jeesus, man, go study something. Anything.

Speaking about stuff going over one's head...

[Realizniguhnit]

You are arguing for the sake of arguing. Mute or moot? If only you were capable of understanding the substantive point of what is being said to you. Instead of seeing the principle in my Usyk example you talk about Usyk not having many opponents. Jeesus, man, go study something. Anything.

Speaking about stuff going over one's head...

Maybe you should take up learning something else because boxing clearly isn't for you kid. Your living in some alternative reality based on fiction. It's obvious that you're confusing your own self trying to be a know it all.

The facts remain no matter how much you try to twist them along with the simple point i made. De La Hoya / DAZN are Canelo's bosses. Canelo will ultimately have to fight who they say he will. If he doesn't like it maybe he should ask for a release or attempt to buy himself out of his contract with Oscar it's either that or retire.

[alexjust]

Maybe you should take up learning something else because boxing clearly isn't for you kid. Your living in some alternative reality based on fiction. It's obvious that you're confusing your own self trying to be a know it all.

The facts remain no matter how much you try to twist them along with the simple point i made. De La Hoya / DAZN are Canelo's bosses. Canelo will ultimately have to fight who they say he will. If he doesn't like it maybe he should ask for a release or attempt to buy himself out of his contract with Oscar it's either that or retire.

I think future will adjudicate us So far DAZN hasn't compelled Canelo to fight GGG. Diva threw a tantrum and what did they do? They had to compromise on Kovalev. DLH needs to do some damage control because this big boss maybe fired by his subordinate pretty soon from the looks of it. You are underestimating the weight Canelo carries and who the real boss actually is. But I guess you learn about employer/employee dynamics while you are working in Walmart and don't believe there can be anything else in life. Your little brain draws simple, linear, black and whyte pictures: there is a boss and there is a servant. It doesn't work quite like that on that level, it's more of a partnership where, depending on the issue, one side' desire may prevail over the other's. DAZN has power over Canelo, but only to an extent and Canelo, not fighting in September, showed them the extent of their power. I'm sure he will compromise where needed, but he will not be bossed around by DAZN or DLH. With time you might understand this. Read more, pumpkin. Think more. And until then-talk less.

[hectari]

Inside the story:

-Plenty of new details on the IBF side deal between Diaz and Team Derevyanchenko
-Canelo tells us he hopes Golden Boy understands “that all these sponsors, including DAZN, are there because of me. I hope they appreciate that.” https://t.co/RnbpVThvxR

— Mike Coppinger (@MikeCoppinger) October 30, 2019

https://theathletic.com/1334317/2019...ar-de-la-hoya/

Bob Arum knew this and thats why he has been kissing the butt of Canelo for the past 3 months non stop, defending him, he is ready to make his move and has people talking to Canelo on the low. Oscar De La hoya screwed up big time, he might as well sell his company to Dana white already.