IF ggg Beat Mayweather @ 154 in 2013...

[aboutfkntime]

Fair enough but see this is the difference between you and phenom you can say I don’t like this and that about a guy without it being nonsensical shhh so even if you aren’t agreed with we don’t have to pull teeth to get an answer from you. As I said I don’t agree with what you are saying in its entirety but I respect it. I do think Golovkin with different promoters would’ve faired much better, K2 was not the team he needed and they had no relationships to make fights and really didn’t fast track him because they didn’t know how. It’s easy to be a promoter when you manage a guy like kilitschko who had something every promoter wanted for their fighter, not so much on a high risk low reward foreign fighter when you don’t have the money to make offers to make fights happen. Personally, K2 ruined his careers prime and even worse he’s to blame for letting them do it to him. He was foolish to trust loeffler and continue to as he’s done..Tom wants to be a diplomat when what you need is an ******* promoter behind you and one with bank and resources. If he wanted to have only a career in Monaco and Germany K2 is your team..beyond that they couldn’t promote a fart at an indigestion convention.

nope, it had nothing to do with his promoter

the fights were there, but Golovkin would not take them

timid opponent selection is the problem, like observers have been saying for YEARS... they played the risk/reward game to death... they LITERALLY selected the easiest opponent, regardless of reward...

Golovkin confirmed that again recently, with his selection of Derevyanchenko

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nope, it had nothing to do with his promoter

the fights were there, but Golovkin would not take them

timid opponent selection is the problem, like observers have been saying for YEARS... they played the risk/reward game to death... they LITERALLY selected the easiest opponent, regardless of reward...

Golovkin confirmed that again recently, with his selection of Derevyanchenko

Again we shall disagree but I respect your opinion. Martinez fought cotto on two bad legs because the check was bigger, cotto fought Canelo instead because the check was bigger. This all ties back to having a promoter with the bag to secure fights in an era of I fight for the highest possible purse.

[aboutfkntime]

Again we shall disagree but I respect your opinion. Martinez fought cotto on two bad legs because the check was bigger, cotto fought Canelo instead because the check was bigger. This all ties back to having a promoter with the bag to secure fights in an era of I fight for the highest possible purse.

Golovkin had plenty of chances to fight Cotto

1) he totally refused to negotiate on weight with the 153lb superstar
2) he accepted step-aside money

FACT: when Mr " anyone from 154-168 " totally refused to negotiate on weight with 153lb Cotto... he removed himself from consideration... AND HE KNEW IT!!

Cotto (rightly or wrongly) said, "I am not a middleweight, all of my middleweight fights will be at catchweight"... so Golovkin knew exactly what he was doing when he said "no"... everyone who negotiated with Cotto in good faith landed that fight

want proof... ?

1) Golovkin was more than happy to defend his title against Rosado at catchweight... but, not the superstar Cotto... ???

2) a few months after totally refusing to negotiate on weight with Cotto and Canelo, Golovkin stated that he is willing and able to fight at 154 but nobody will step up...




FACT: Golovkin did not want to fight Cotto at catchweight, he CHOSE not to

he could have simply taken that fight

forget making excuses, stand back for a second and look at the big picture... Golovkin could have fought the following guys, but (FOR WHATEVER REASON) he CHOSE not to...

* Mora
* Lara
* Ward
* Cotto
* Canelo at 155
* Saunders
* Charlo
* Andrade
* multiple opportunities with highly winnable fights at 168

if it was only 1 or 2 fighters, you could possibly make an excuse... if Golovkin had a killer resume, you could possibly make an excuse... if MOST of the fighters on that list were not world-class mover/spoilers who are notoriously hard to look good against, you could possibly make an excuse...

there are far too many " misses " that could easily have happened... and far too few quality names on Golovkin's resume... to come to any other conclusion

nobody is hating man... I just took the time to investigate the bizarre excuses and missed opportunities a lot closer than others did... it was 2013 when their risk/reward strategy first became obvious

[QueensburyRules]

nope, it had nothing to do with his promoter

the fights were there, but Golovkin would not take them

timid opponent selection is the problem, like observers have been saying for YEARS... they played the risk/reward game to death... they LITERALLY selected the easiest opponent, regardless of reward...

Golovkin confirmed that again recently, with his selection of Derevyanchenko

- -U timid idiot or just a tame one?

[aboutfkntime]

I do not believe for 1 second that Golovkin would agree to fight Mayweather at 154

there is nothing to indicate that would happen

and I know he would not win... Mayweather would outclass him, like he outclassed Canelo

[aboutfkntime]

- -U timid idiot or just a tame one?

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Golovkin had plenty of chances to fight Cotto

1) he totally refused to negotiate on weight with the 153lb superstar
2) he accepted step-aside money

FACT: when Mr " anyone from 154-168 " totally refused to negotiate on weight with 153lb Cotto... he removed himself from consideration... AND HE KNEW IT!!

Cotto (rightly or wrongly) said, "I am not a middleweight, all of my middleweight fights will be at catchweight"... so Golovkin knew exactly what he was doing when he said "no"... everyone who negotiated with Cotto in good faith landed that fight

want proof... ?

1) Golovkin was more than happy to defend his title against Rosado at catchweight... but, not the superstar Cotto... ???

2) a few months after totally refusing to negotiate on weight with Cotto and Canelo, Golovkin stated that he is willing and able to fight at 154 but nobody will step up...




FACT: Golovkin did not want to fight Cotto at catchweight, he CHOSE not to

he could have simply taken that fight

forget making excuses, stand back for a second and look at the big picture... Golovkin could have fought the following guys, but (FOR WHATEVER REASON) he CHOSE not to...

* Mora
* Lara
* Ward
* Cotto
* Canelo at 155
* Saunders
* Charlo
* Andrade
* multiple opportunities with highly winnable fights at 168

if it was only 1 or 2 fighters, you could possibly make an excuse... if Golovkin had a killer resume, you could possibly make an excuse... if MOST of the fighters on that list were not world-class mover/spoilers who are notoriously hard to look good against, you could possibly make an excuse...

there are far too many " misses " that could easily have happened... and far too few quality names on Golovkin's resume... to come to any other conclusion

nobody is hating man... I just took the time to investigate the bizarre excuses and missed opportunities a lot closer than others did... it was 2013 when their risk/reward strategy first became obvious

This is so full of lol I’m just going to let it go...you said promoter has nothing to do with it but clearly go in the direction of he wouldn’t budge to cotto so he took himself out of contention by wanting to fight at the actual 160lb weight the strap is for..it’s nobody else’s fault in any of those situations? Charlo isn’t the wbc mandatory and hasn’t said he wants Canelo and will wait for him rather than fight this months boogieman in Andrade..two months ago not a nan one of y’all were saying he should fight Andrade but here we are. He signed to fight Saunders, how do you think he ended up fighting Brook? Oh wait y’all forget that one too, BJ couldn’t be found to sign his contract and left Eddie on the hook for millions which kell Brook stepped in to collect..

Ward? I fk with Andre hard but unless he was willing to chop off a leg or lose his lawsuit against his promoter that fight wasn’t happening and it’s time both sides cut the shhh and admit it. Mora? My man are you serious...you guys would’ve crucified him for fighting Mora ffs..

Has he had a ton of missed opportunities? Yes that we can agree on but some of these things you list are things you dislike because they weren’t made as fights and that’s fair to you. I do hope to see this same fire and disdain for some of the folks you listed who have no other challengers that are mandatories but won’t fight each other..since Golovkin has to concede everything to everyone else as it seems clear right now. I ain’t heard Charlo mention Golovkin, Andrade he should fight and likely will to finish his contract. But cotto bi t ched up and refused to fight..153 foh you bashed manny for catch weights but want to endorse em for Cotto? Come on..

[aboutfkntime]

This is so full of lol I’m just going to let it go...you said promoter has nothing to do with it but clearly go in the direction of he wouldn’t budge to cotto so he took himself out of contention by wanting to fight at the actual 160lb weight the strap is for..it’s nobody else’s fault in any of those situations? Charlo isn’t the wbc mandatory and hasn’t said he wants Canelo and will wait for him rather than fight this months boogieman in Andrade..two months ago not a nan one of y’all were saying he should fight Andrade but here we are. He signed to fight Saunders, how do you think he ended up fighting Brook? Oh wait y’all forget that one too, BJ couldn’t be found to sign his contract and left Eddie on the hook for millions which kell Brook stepped in to collect..

Ward? I fk with Andre hard but unless he was willing to chop off a leg or lose his lawsuit against his promoter that fight wasn’t happening and it’s time both sides cut the shhh and admit it. Mora? My man are you serious...you guys would’ve crucified him for fighting Mora ffs..

Has he had a ton of missed opportunities? Yes that we can agree on but some of these things you list are things you dislike because they weren’t made as fights and that’s fair to you. I do hope to see this same fire and disdain for some of the folks you listed who have no other challengers that are mandatories but won’t fight each other..since Golovkin has to concede everything to everyone else as it seems clear right now. I ain’t heard Charlo mention Golovkin, Andrade he should fight and likely will to finish his contract. But cotto bi t ched up and refused to fight..153 foh you bashed manny for catch weights but want to endorse em for Cotto? Come on..

not one single that you said countered the facts in my post

you simply ignored them

FACT: Golovkin could have fought Cotto... he could have refused the step-aside money, and he could have negotiated on the weight... the fact that he chose not to, does not reflect poorly on Cotto

and no, I do not give a fcuk about the catchweight... Cotto weighed 153, and Bullshltkin offered to fight other JMW's at 154... he would have gotten that fight at 157/158, just like Geale did

Geale wanted that fight... and Golovkin did not... plain and simple

spastic Golovkin fans will ignore that

the REALLY spastic Golovkin fans will spin a story that Cotto ducked Golovkin lol

stop telling stories man.... the jig is up, because Golovkin would not fight anyone else either... we can clearly see who the common-denominator is when it comes to fights not getting made

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not one single that you said countered the facts in my post

you simply ignored them

FACT: Golovkin could have fought Cotto... he could have refused the step-aside money, and he could have negotiated on the weight... the fact that he chose not to, does not reflect poorly on Cotto

and no, I do not give a fcuk about the catchweight... Cotto weighed 153, and Bullshltkin offered to fight other JMW's at 154... he would have gotten that fight at 157/158, just like Geale did

Geale wanted that fight... and Golovkin did not... plain and simple

spastic Golovkin fans will ignore that

the REALLY spastic Golovkin fans will spin a story that Cotto ducked Golovkin lol

stop telling stories man.... the jig is up, because Golovkin would not fight anyone else either... we can clearly see who the common-denominator is when it comes to fights not getting made

Dude I’ve known your stance on this and we’ve had ample discussion about this before. You deal in person opinion which I credited you with in my initial response how this turned into a back and forth rehashing of the same discussions we’ve had before is beyond my comprehension at the moment..we literally have had these arguments six times now lol jeez. I get it you don’t like Golovkin bro..that’s not why I quoted you, I actually quoted you to give you credit for being transparent as to why...even if I still don’t agree with you cuz. Take a deep breath we ain’t feuding if anything I was trying to give you props in the first place. I do stand by my statement that I expect you to be just as critical of other fighters who are doing way worse than what you accuse this man of...oh and please stop calling that man out of his name..he fights for a living and it’s not cool bro even when we don’t like the fighter in question.

[QueensburyRules]

I do not believe for 1 second that Golovkin would agree to fight Mayweather at 154

there is nothing to indicate that would happen

and I know he would not win... Mayweather would outclass him, like he outclassed Canelo

- -Like U outass yerself?