After All These Boxing Deaths, I Just Realized Something

[Curtis Harper]

Low IQ thread, do an IQ test and you most likely have a double digit IQ.

How many weight classes are there? How many HWs compared to MWs are there in the world? What is the HW to WW ratio?

Low IQ is low. Work out those factors and then tell us the trend you are seeing.

I believe the point is, as hard as HW punch, their punches don't usually damage a guy like they do in the lower weights.

Through all time, how many HW's have been perm damaged or killed in the ring ???

[Jsmooth9876]

Heavyweights aren't killing their bodies and brains dehydrating themselves to make a weight they probably shouldn't be at. How many 12 rou d wars you seen at HW? Usually someone catches a shot and gets dropped and then the fight is either over right then or shortly after. Not many sustained beatings taking place at HW.

[Citizen Koba]

I believe the point is, as hard as HW punch, their punches don't usually damage a guy like they do in the lower weights.

Through all time, how many HW's have been perm damaged or killed in the ring ???

There ain't really the depth of statistics to know I think (though of course there was the Mago tragedy a few years back) but the premise of this thread - that HWs are less likely to get killed - simply isn't backed up by the statistics provided.

In fact given the limited information available it looks as if he HWs are virtually exactly as likely as everyone else to die during or following a bout.

[kafkod]

I know it ain't a laughing mater, but still..

According to Boxrec there's 1,312 active Heavies in the world out of a total of 18.081 active fighters of all divisions, or about 7.26%. Applied to the 27 deaths recorded in the Wiki page you'd expect that to translate into....1.96 HW deaths (assuming there was a statistically significant sample, which there ain't... really). I think it'd probably be safe to round that up to... umm... 2, whatchu reckon?

Now how about that?

There ain't really the depth of statistics to know I think (though of course there was the Mago tragedy a few years back) but the premise of this thread - that HWs are less likely to get killed - simply isn't backed up by the statistics provided.

In fact given the limited information available it looks as if he HWs are virtually exactly as likely as everyone else to die during or following a bout.

Good work with the statistical analysis there mate!

But given the OP's observation that HW's hit significantly harder than lighter men in other divisions, I would say he raises a valid point ...on the face of it, you would expect the death rate in HW fights to be higher than in the lower divisions.

Other posters have highlighted factors which possibly explain why HWs don't take as much serious damage as would be expected .. on the face of it. It's an interesting topic which maybe should be looked into more deeply.

[Marchegiano]

Cause weight divisions is fair.

[Marchegiano]

Cause weight divisions is fair.

Actually, let me elaborate:

Back in the day HW used to die all the time. Like a really really bad mortality rate against them.

Two reasons combined together made it so.

1.) No weight divisions. On the surface that seems to favor the HW but in practice it did not. For those who think there were weight divisions because there were LW champions in 1830 go ahead and tell me what LW was in 1830 check three sources and see if they agree. There was no weight division, there was the formal agreement to fight for a weight class title and that is all.

2.) There was no time limit.


Without divisions and without time limits the smaller men used to use endurance alone to beat big men. That's why Roy's the only man in 3k years of boxing history to MAKE weight and not just fight at HW weighing their normal MW weight like Bob and Mendoza and so on.


First came the time limit. That saved big men from dying but also forced small men to exchange before they were trained to so they started dying. Now weight divisions are necessary to save the small man from the big man breaking his tiny neck.


So, because boxing went out of its way around the 1910-1920s to save men from each other and make boxing less deadly today you find, for the most part, fair weight divisions and classifications/rules to protect the men.


Our grand dads did it right proper is why Deontay still ain't got no body. If it was 1890 his ass would be'uh killin. and if it was 1780 his ass might get slayed by a wee'un.

[Citizen Koba]

Good work with the statistical analysis there mate!

But given the OP's observation that HW's hit significantly harder than lighter men in other divisions, I would say he raises a valid point ...on the face of it, you would expect the death rate in HW fights to be higher than in the lower divisions.

Other posters have highlighted factors which possibly explain why HWs don't take as much serious damage as would be expected .. on the face of it. It's an interesting topic which maybe should be looked into more deeply.

For sure. I'd be starting with asking the question of just what exactly it is - in clincal terms - that kills the fighters... going back through the contemporary medical reports and so on. Without that you've nowhere to start, though given what we've said already it doesn't seem an unreasonable premise to suggest that factors aside from power are critical. Frequency of getting hit is widely thought of now as being most significant in terms of chronic brain damage and perhaps that's an area worth examining for acute damage too.

Perhaps the raw power is of most significance but is somehow mitigated by HWs not weight cutting or dehydrating, so bringing the risk back into line with the lower divisions. Who knows?

First problem is though, that there simply isn't enough statistical information to do a useful quantitative study backed up by medical evidence - we might be able to increase our understanding of the risk factors across the whole sport, but with only an average of 2 deaths per division per 20 years or so, probably with a number of different causes there probably simply isn't enough to make a useful comparison between weights - and let's hope there never will be.

[GoogleMe]

I know it ain't a laughing mater, but still..

According to Boxrec there's 1,312 active Heavies in the world out of a total of 18.081 active fighters of all divisions, or about 7.26%. Applied to the 27 deaths recorded in the Wiki page you'd expect that to translate into....1.96 HW deaths (assuming there was a statistically significant sample, which there ain't... really). I think it'd probably be safe to round that up to... umm... 2, whatchu reckon?

Now how about that?

Dangerous to use logic on a forum based on keyboard-warriors.

[Curtis Harper]

There ain't really the depth of statistics to know I think (though of course there was the Mago tragedy a few years back) but the premise of this thread - that HWs are less likely to get killed - simply isn't backed up by the statistics provided.

In fact given the limited information available it looks as if he HWs are virtually exactly as likely as everyone else to die during or following a bout.

Of the known boxing casualties and comas, how many were HW's ? What is the % of that total number ??

I can see how the thread starter can come to the conclusion that HW's are least likely to be seriously injured.

[Curtis Harper]

Dangerous to use logic on a forum based on keyboard-warriors.

Isn't everyone who is limited to typing a ''keyboard warrior''