After All These Boxing Deaths, I Just Realized Something

[eco1]

HW usually go down by only one punch and that doesn't kill you unless someone uses a big hammer against you, and then sometimes even that won't kill u. But when you sustain a brutal assault for 7-8-9-10 rounds, that is when things get tricky and you get l the damage in the world and you can die because of that.

[_Rexy_]

Of the 27 in-ring deaths over the past 20 years, only 2 have been heavyweights.

That seems low considering that you'd think that much larger men who have more power and lesser stamina would be more likely to die in the ring.

And out of those 2, both seemed to have some other mitigating factor.

Tim Hague, who died in 2017, had been knocked out a bunch of times in MMA and shouldn't have even been in a boxing ring.

And Brad Rone died of a heart attack.

Why do you think that heavyweights rarely die from in ring injuries?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ined_in_boxing

I've been saying this for years.

Heavyweights don't have to cut weight. They don't boil down, they don't drain themselves. Draining yourself also drains the protective barrier between your brain and skull.

[juggernaut666]

This should be common sense, fighters who are of weight and don't cut and take less shots and take them better should have far lesser fatality rates.Its the reason why the suggestion of Joshua wearing some form of new data mouth piece is somewhat dumb.

[juggernaut666]

Actually, let me elaborate:

Back in the day HW used to die all the time. Like a really really bad mortality rate against them.

Two reasons combined together made it so.

1.) No weight divisions. On the surface that seems to favor the HW but in practice it did not. For those who think there were weight divisions because there were LW champions in 1830 go ahead and tell me what LW was in 1830 check three sources and see if they agree. There was no weight division, there was the formal agreement to fight for a weight class title and that is all.

2.) There was no time limit.


Without divisions and without time limits the smaller men used to use endurance alone to beat big men. That's why Roy's the only man in 3k years of boxing history to MAKE weight and not just fight at HW weighing their normal MW weight like Bob and Mendoza and so on.


First came the time limit. That saved big men from dying but also forced small men to exchange before they were trained to so they started dying. Now weight divisions are necessary to save the small man from the big man breaking his tiny neck.


So, because boxing went out of its way around the 1910-1920s to save men from each other and make boxing less deadly today you find, for the most part, fair weight divisions and classifications/rules to protect the men.


Our grand dads did it right proper is why Deontay still ain't got no body. If it was 1890 his ass would be'uh killin. and if it was 1780 his ass might get slayed by a wee'un.

What a really dumb post and it has nothing to do with the thread of why HW's now are getting less killed...you DOPE. lol


You didn't even list all these HW's of the past bf initial rules changes who died you simpleton at least show you are half smart and not some escapee at the local mental institution for once ….. lol

[HeadShots]

it's because heavyweights are more robust humans. we are not only taller, stronger, more likely to be promoted, make more money, more attractive to women and more respected by men; we are also more durable specimens.

God made us better. it's as simple as that.

God made small sub humans weak.

[Blond Beast]

Robie Barrett and KillaMane26 made great points. I believe those are contributing factors.

Not to mention 27 deaths over the past 20yrs is over an unknown amount of pro fights that have happened. Someone would have to have all the numbers to be able to make real sense of things. Referees could play a huge part too.

[deanrw]

The most dangerous type of opponent for a fighters health is one who does not have big power but has tons of stamina and can throw 1000 punches in a fight.


Big punchers will generally just knock you out. The non big punchers will keep rattling your brain after you get tired in the 8th, 9th 10th round etc.


Heavyweights don't throw that many punches on average.

[Citizen Koba]

Of the known boxing casualties and comas, how many were HW's ? What is the % of that total number ??

I can see how the thread starter can come to the conclusion that HW's are least likely to be seriously injured.

I did the calculation in post #5 above based on the same data the TS was using.

I know it ain't a laughing mater, but still..

According to Boxrec there's 1,312 active Heavies in the world out of a total of 18.081 active fighters of all divisions, or about 7.26%. Applied to the 27 deaths recorded in the Wiki page you'd expect that to translate into....1.96 HW deaths (assuming there was a statistically significant sample, which there ain't... really). I think it'd probably be safe to round that up to... umm... 2, whatchu reckon?

Now how about that?

So what we come out with is - with the caveat that there's insufficient data to claim accuracy - that Heavyweights are almost exactly as likely as anyone else to die in the ring or from injuries sustained in the ring. It's definitely a subject that requires more research, but I'd hope we never get enough deaths to make get a statistically reliable sample.

EDIT: In terms of comas or boxers left with permanent disabilities as a result of acute trauma, I've had a quick scan of the internet but no hard and fast numbers or lists are coming up. Off the top of my head Mago's the only high profile HW one coming to mind, but just off my memory that doesn't seem out of line with cases in other divisions in the decade or so I've been paying close attention to boxing - again, though, when you're only talking about maybe 1 or 2 cases per decade it's hard to extract any useful statistical information. You simply need more cases than that to apply statistical methods reliably.

[Curtis Harper]

I did the calculation in post #5 above based on the same data the TS was using.

Hmmmm.....

Of ALL the known deaths and etc's that happened in boxing, no logical conclusion can be made ???

How much info is needed ???

[Citizen Koba]

Hmmmm.....

Of ALL the known deaths and etc's that happened in boxing, no logical conclusion can be made ???

How much info is needed ???

To make a statistical comparison between divisions you'd need dozens in each division... like I say let's hope that never happens. You could possibly go back through the historical record and get some more data (some estimate 500 ring deaths historically), but both scanty record keeping and lack of medical records (or simply lack of treatment) in the early years would make this difficult and probably not very useful.

Best way of tackling the problem would be some form of qualitative research - going through the medical records of the incident and longer medical histories of the fighters involved to try to glean points of confluence, maybe looking at punch counts for head punches, rehydration factors, fight duratiion, previous rounds boxed, previous KOs received, damn, anything at all that might be of relevance... basically micro-analysing each case, but its still unlikely to give you a definitive answer on whether the big guys are more or less likely to suffer death or debilitating injury.