After All These Boxing Deaths, I Just Realized Something

[Curtis Harper]

To make a statistical comparison between divisions you'd need dozens in each division... like I say let's hope that never happens. You could possibly go back through the historical record and get some more data (some estimate 500 ring deaths historically), but both scanty record keeping and lack of medical records (or simply lack of treatment) in the early years would make this difficult and probably not very useful.

Best way of tackling the problem would be some form of qualitative research - going through the medical records of the incident and longer medical histories of the fighters involved to try to glean points of confluence, maybe looking at punch counts for head punches, rehydration factors, damn, anything at all that might be of relevance... basically micro-analysing each case, but s still unlikely to give you a definitive answer on whether the big guys are more or less likely to suffer death or debilitating injury.

Each div has had 100k fights

How many died/comtosed in each div, out of those 100k of fights ???

There are 10 bushels (each rep a div), each containing 100 various apples. All were picked the same day. Of those apples, how many are still ripe ???

If Grannys are the ripest kind of all, it can be assumed Grannys are the go to apple if you're looking for long lasting apples (until a better indicator is presented and placed side by side with the mentioned technique).

IOW, you take the known info and extrapolate a conclusion. It will be right until proven wrong.

[Citizen Koba]

Each div has had 100k fights

How many died/comtosed in each div, out of those 100k of fights ???

There are 10 bushels (each rep a div), each containing 100 various apples. All were picked the same day. Of those apples, how many are still ripe ???

If Grannys are the ripest kind of all, it can be assumed Grannys are the go to apple if you're looking for long lasting apples (until a better indicator is presented and placed side by side with the mentioned technique).

IOW, you take the known info and extrapolate a conclusion. It will be right until proven wrong.

Well in that case all we got is the data used above which basically says that heavys are no more or less likely over a 20 year period - under current boxing rules and practices - to suffer death or permanent disability than fighters in other divisions. You want to know if that relationship hold per fight instead of per unit time you'd have to crunch the numbers but I'll say up front that unless heavys fight much more or less frequently than other divisions on average that relation will still hold. Does that answer you question?

All I been doing is explaining why that ain't a reliable statement, but if you want something to be going on with, there it is. Good enough for chatting on here but I wouldn't dream of claiming it as solid fact or basing any practice recommendations on it.

EDIT: And now you've gone planted a worm in my head, you bastard... gonna have to go figure out how many boxing matches there are each year per division. Damn.

[Marchegiano]

What a really dumb post and it has nothing to do with the thread of why HW's now are getting less killed...you DOPE. lol


You didn't even list all these HW's of the past bf initial rules changes who died you simpleton at least show you are half smart and not some escapee at the local mental institution for once ….. lol

The **** is wrong with your insecure ass?

I am internationally recognized for my mind. I don't need any pats on the ass from the likes of you and I'm bulletproof to your insults. Go do something with yer life, or, don't get personal because juxtaposition alone sons you son.

Now, let's look at your post eh?

This should be common sense, fighters who are of weight and don't cut and take less shots and take them better should have far lesser fatality rates.Its the reason why the suggestion of Joshua wearing some form of new data mouth piece is somewhat dumb.

You don't think weight cuts existed prior to the eras I outlined? What's assuming make you son?

You are just flatly and plainly wrong. You are assuming with absolutely nothing to back the claim. Common sense is it? Hmmm, funny thing that, history and science both tend to evade common sense.



Weight cutting has existed since the ****ing 18th century and has not been such a problem that boxing has made rules to address it.

Time limits and weight divisions have a history with death, learn it.

There's a ****ing reason these rules exist and a reason none of them deal with weight cutting. There's a reason there's a canvas, nothing to do with weight cutting though. There's a reason there are time limits, nothing to do with weight cutting. There is a reason there are weight divisions, not a ****ing thing to do with weight cutting, but, every goddamn one of them do deal with deaths in the ring or from the ring.

You're an idiot who has never proven you are worth your salt talking about your assumptions to a proven man who came with facts.


I don't give a **** if it went over your dumbass head. If I went more detailed you dumb****s just skip the ****ing post entirely. At least this way you know where to look to answer the question why HWs are no longer on the chopping block more so than any other weight division you dumb ****.

[juggernaut666]

The **** is wrong with your insecure ass?

I am internationally recognized for my mind. I don't need any pats on the ass from the likes of you and I'm bulletproof to your insults. Go do something with yer life, or, don't get personal because juxtaposition alone sons you son.

Now, let's look at your post eh?




You don't think weight cuts existed prior to the eras I outlined? What's assuming make you son?

You are just flatly and plainly wrong. You are assuming with absolutely nothing to back the claim. Common sense is it? Hmmm, funny thing that, history and science both tend to evade common sense.



Weight cutting has existed since the ****ing 18th century and has not been such a problem that boxing has made rules to address it.

Time limits and weight divisions have a history with death, learn it.

There's a ****ing reason these rules exist and a reason none of them deal with weight cutting. There's a reason there's a canvas, nothing to do with weight cutting though. There's a reason there are time limits, nothing to do with weight cutting. There is a reason there are weight divisions, not a ****ing thing to do with weight cutting, but, every goddamn one of them do deal with deaths in the ring or from the ring.

You're an idiot who has never proven you are worth your salt talking about your assumptions to a proven man who came with facts.


I don't give a **** if it went over your dumbass head. If I went more detailed you dumb****s just skip the ****ing post entirely. At least this way you know where to look to answer the question why HWs are no longer on the chopping block more so than any other weight division you dumb ****.

Does anyone ..even Wilder fans take this guy serious? If you do you need help to. lol

@ the poster ...What are you talking about?

What have you proved on here besides you are a mental patient who talks to himself and goes off on other subjects ?

You didn't list the boxing deaths to the actual thread of current rules compared to old days to show us how far the bigger man was saved NOW because then there is no correlation to the thread itself....you IDIOT.

Basically you went on your usual rant of insane bursts,you don't even know what you're talking about ,you post as if you have multiple personalities ? lol

[The D3vil]

Low IQ thread, do an IQ test and you most likely have a double digit IQ.

How many weight classes are there? How many HWs compared to MWs are there in the world? What is the HW to WW ratio?

Low IQ is low. Work out those factors and then tell us the trend you are seeing.

Damn, for someone who's talking about somebody else's IQ levels, you sure sound like one illiterate motherfxcker.

"Low IQ is low"?

Dude, I just did a cursory glance of the listed deaths and realized that really only one of the boxing deaths in the last 20 years was because of in the ring violence (the other guy died of a heart attack).

HW's don't usually take sustained punishment, if they get caught clean they usually go down. It's the constant punishment that does the most damage.

I imagine cutting weight is a massive contributory factor. Obviously HW dont have to make weight and can, within reason, eat and drink what they like.

I've been saying this for years.

Heavyweights don't have to cut weight. They don't boil down, they don't drain themselves. Draining yourself also drains the protective barrier between your brain and skull.

Yeah, this is what I was thinking too, and wondering if maybe the key to lessening boxing deaths would be to find guys natural weights and make them fight there.

[pittapatta66]

Damn, for someone who's talking about somebody else's IQ levels, you sure sound like one illiterate motherfxcker.

"Low IQ is low"?

Dude, I just did a cursory glance of the listed deaths and realized that really only one of the boxing deaths in the last 20 years was because of in the ring violence (the other guy died of a heart attack).

Double digit IQ is double digit

[The D3vil]

Double digit IQ is double digit