Whats the strongest style of kicking?

[AlexKid]

JKD is another kicking style made for no rules purposes, mostly uses groin kicks, again if they dont work, the kicks become rather useless, since they are specifically for the groin and knee. He doesn't use the rear leg even for a round kick .

However the kicks were very snappy and hard to avoid and made great groin kicks

Also unlike the savate knee kicks the JKD knee kicks were more powerful.

So I think it depends on how much the adrenaline dump stops nut shot pain and whether the guy is full of fear/adrenaline or not .

If he is full of adrenaline JKD could well fail and muay thai will succeed .

If not then the JKD kicker is still very vulnerable to the all round power kicks from both sides and skill of a good thai round kicker, and its not like a muay thai fighter cant work around front kicks and out kick the JKD guy.

But at the same time he is vulnerable to a nut shot and if he is a thai fighter he wont be full of adrenaline he will not be scared so he will likely go down if struck


But also the thai fighter has years of experience kicking is the JKD guy experienced at all? If he doesn't have the same kind of experience he will lose


So with JKD and muay thai its an awkward clash of style that pivots around how reliable a nut shot is and how experienced the JKD fighter is

Relaistically teh thai boxer wins but thats not to say Bruce Lee's ideas were faulty


The problem with JKD strikers is they spar against other nerds and are not real fighters, even though the style is based on smart ideas, if they were experienced fighters it would be interesting.


It would all pivot on do they go down from nut shots.

I think they do , esp a relaxed fighter wo a groin guard.

So whats more likely to end the fight 1st powerful low kicks from both sides or a fast accurate kick to the groin?

I think Bruce might have got this one right. (his nut kicks are better than savate/karate front/round kicks etc so the same doesn't apply to those arts)

Seems unrealistic to be able to hit that small target and more realistic to just blast away at the legs etc, but its also not that hard to find the target and if it does stop them which is quite likely then its better, more effective

[billeau2]

It Depends

First off; your eliminating everything but TKD and Muy Thai.

Kicks are strong in different ways. A better representation for a whipping kick would be Savate Francaise, French Foot boxing. This kick works like putting a cue ball in a sock. It works well on the street because it whips out fast and untelegraphed and can cause breakage, intense pain, etc. Try this some time: let someone plow you in the groin pretty hard...not too bad right? Now let someone gently slap with an open hand, and flick hard into the groin....uhhhhh! If they do it right you will not know your name for the next 20 seconds. That is the principle of the Savate kick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZ6AN8xOWv0

Watch this vid, yes it looks dated and silly but the guy has incredibly good form. No telegraph! These kicks, unlike Asian martial arts were designed to be used with hard shoes. They are fast, can come in at all angles, and again...its like getting hit with a cueball with a sock.

Then we have Kicks that are similar in principle to Thai...like in Capoeira. The back kick in Capoeira is devistating. It is a pendulum kick and can be done with the whole body...Unfortunately it is very hard to find good film on real Capoeira that is from the street versions. I have not found a decent video to post.

Regarding Karate and TKD: The athletic TKD kicks can be powerful but they are a mish mash because they come from native Korean fold arts Tia Kyon and Japanese karate. They are sort of between what we see in Savate and Karate. I would say that for pure kicking effectiveness Savate has a better principle behind the whipping kicks.

And...Yes Thai kicks are great. They are powerful and like a baseball bat. But their weakness is they are telegraphed and they are usually to areas that can take punishment...the original Thai art Krabbie Krong has kicks that are similar aimed at the head and these are deadly.

Karate can also have great kicks...ironickly enough the way TKD kicks would help most karate men to have a stronger kick because of the hip movement.

[AlexKid]

Its obviously more complex than all this and pivots around other things like foot work styles and so on, but its not worth any more time

[AlexKid]

First off; your eliminating everything but TKD and Muy Thai.

Kicks are strong in different ways. A better representation for a whipping kick would be Savate Francaise, French Foot boxing. This kick works like putting a cue ball in a sock. It works well on the street because it whips out fast and untelegraphed and can cause breakage, intense pain, etc. Try this some time: let someone plow you in the groin pretty hard...not too bad right? Now let someone gently slap with an open hand, and flick hard into the groin....uhhhhh! If they do it right you will not know your name for the next 20 seconds. That is the principle of the Savate kick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZ6AN8xOWv0

Watch this vid, yes it looks dated and silly but the guy has incredibly good form. No telegraph! These kicks, unlike Asian martial arts were designed to be used with hard shoes. They are fast, can come in at all angles, and again...its like getting hit with a cueball with a sock.

Then we have Kicks that are similar in principle to Thai...like in Capoeira. The back kick in Capoeira is devistating. It is a pendulum kick and can be done with the whole body...Unfortunately it is very hard to find good film on real Capoeira that is from the street versions. I have not found a decent video to post.

Regarding Karate and TKD: The athletic TKD kicks can be powerful but they are a mish mash because they come from native Korean fold arts Tia Kyon and Japanese karate. They are sort of between what we see in Savate and Karate. I would say that for pure kicking effectiveness Savate has a better principle behind the whipping kicks.

And...Yes Thai kicks are great. They are powerful and like a baseball bat. But their weakness is they are telegraphed and they are usually to areas that can take punishment...the original Thai art Krabbie Krong has kicks that are similar aimed at the head and these are deadly.

Karate can also have great kicks...ironickly enough the way TKD kicks would help most karate men to have a stronger kick because of the hip movement.

I said JKD not TKD.

Yea I may have got rid of savate too soon it has some very economical and street worthy kicks, kicks to the shin etc using the shoe as a weapon but maybe not. Its like an inbetween stage. But it depends because its full of bullshido too alot of low % stuff so depends what he uses

Also lol xDDDDD

I wish I didnt get OCD on this one omg so much time

[spenz]

Not familiar with all kinds of martial arts, but I would imagine it's the type of martial art that is designed for actual combat and not for demonstration and artistic purposes.

Luckily we can somewhat verify that now with UFC, the pinnacle of MMA competition right now. If your type of Martial Art really works in actual combat, then, it should do real well in UFC because it's pitted against all types of different martial arts. Right now for kicking techniques, it's dominated by Muay Thai, far down the hierarchy are Karate and Taekwondo. Recently we're seeing the rise of Capoeira as well.

That said, the strongest kicking technique is most probably a roundhouse kick, it's telegraph, but the amount of force potential it can deliver is much greater than other types of kicking technique. All types of Martial Arts possesses some kind of variation of roundhouse kicks but the mechanics are similar.

[AlexKid]

Fighting is so complex weve been doing it for millennia's making martial art styles and so on all over the world, and we still havnt a clue what "optimal" is yet, not even in the modern age, I mean you wouldnt expect it to be that complex but it is, so many complex details and dynamics at play.

[giant_king]

A chun Lee kick to the privates

[AlexKid]

A chun Lee kick to the privates

Ok end thread


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[Marchegiano]

That is western kickboxing and dutch kickboxing they originate from Japanese Karate style, then mixed with western boxing and muay thai which together creates a style worse than muay thai.


they do focus on high % kicks which is good but lots of chambered round kicks, no teeps, some low % karate kicks are still used, over all its worse in the kicking department than muay thai ,

Yes K1 is a load of bo,llocks, Ignashov one of the most dominant K1 kickboxers lost a fight to a low ranking welterweight muay thai fighter

Well that kinda sucks, I clearly have no room speaking in this thread, just reading. I appreciate your input though, thanks bud.

What would you recommend I watch? I mean, I understand you reckon Muay Thai is better but where does one actually watch muay thai?

Does Muay Thai have HWs?

[billeau2]

I said JKD not TKD.

Yea I may have got rid of savate too soon it has some very economical and street worthy kicks, kicks to the shin etc using the shoe as a weapon but maybe not. Its like an inbetween stage. But it depends because its full of bullshido too alot of low % stuff so depends what he uses

Also lol xDDDDD

I wish I didnt get OCD on this one omg so much time

Little Alex settle down and put your pecker out of your hand! JKD is not a martial art. It tends to use kicks from different arts. Lee had very powerful back kicks, not much of a round kick...round kicks are not part of Kung Fu whatever that tells us.

You have to look at the kicks of savate in context. I gave you a video that was droll but look at the whipping movements on those kicks! That is how Savate is supposed to work.

Unfortunately its all about the ring now a days;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GLISxd848w

This type of approach is nice but it loses a lot of what made Savate kicks so dangerous. This guy has great form but his kicks lack that whipping movement. The shin kick or chase is more what we used to call in karate, a leg check. If I kick your shin I can see where your weight is and determine where I want to attack next.

I wish I could find a decent video but all the stuff I see on Youtube is sport applications. So for example, in Marseille wearing hard shoes, on cobblestone streets, you want to keep a distance. One of the deadliest savate kicks would be a fake chase to the shin, followed by a round kick (not a roundhouse) to the head. This kick is naturally really fast and when you can pinpoint the temple it is deadly. Or, a lead hand feint, followed by a leaping kick to the sternum, or ribs. Simple combinations. Simple but devestating.