Golovkin under Banks - what did we learn?

[j0zef]

What does NSB think of Banks as a trainer?

I was not impressed in the least. Let's look at a few categories, I'm comparing him to how he was under Sanchez.. not in absolutes.

-Conditoning = C. Looked far worse than G ever looked under Sanchez. It's possible that he was sick and it played a huge role in it, but we'll never know.
-Power = D. One of the most surprising things in this fight is how many times G landed cleanly and Sergiy didn't even buckle. Usually with that amount of clear punches landed, the guy would be in deep trouble. Where did the power go?
-Technique = C-. I didn't see many stylistic changes in this version of G from previously. He tried to move his head in the first 2 rounds, but quickly abandoned it. He stopped jabbing which was very surprising. Or rather, he got outjabbed by shorter stockier fighter. He settled in and his defense got better in 2nd half, but he was still incapable of getting out of the way of the flurries. He boxed well off the backfoot like he did in 2nd Canelo fight, but was turned around a lot more. He didn't control the ring well, at all.
Adjustments = F. Golovkin didn't make many adjustments under Sanchez, but he didn't need to. He was able to force others fight his fight. He made adjustments during 2nd Canelo fight to go off the back foot, but during last 3-4 rounds he was back to being the same aggressor. During this fight, Banks contributed absolutely nothing. His advice in the corner was 'jab more', and NOTHING else. Dude was talking about how G was afraid to pull the trigger (hello Wlad vs. Fury) and how he needs to jab. Really?
Motivation = B-. Sanchez was able to keep his guy pumped and give solid advice in the corner. Banks was just slow, methodical, and steadfast. It's a great quality, but he needed to do a little more to keep his guy in it. Golovkin also said several times that he lost focus. What/how/why could that ever happen? Weird to hear.

What do you think?

[Doctor_Tenma]

I thought Golovkin's conditioning was alright, it was more that he can't pull the trigger anymore, reminded me of Mosley at the tail end of his career. No trainer is going to fix that. Only thing Golovkin needs to add to his game is a decent at best inside game, work on that shovel hook to the body especially in the clinches. That's all he could hope for if he is to beat Derevyanchenko level fighters decisively moving forward.

[TonyGe]

I thought Golovkin's conditioning was alright, it was more that he can't pull the trigger anymore, reminded me of Mosley at the tail end of his career. No trainer is going to fix that. Only thing Golovkin needs to add to his game is a decent at best inside game, work on that shovel hook to the body especially in the clinches. That's all he could hope for if he is to beat Derevychenko level fighters decisively moving forward.

He has the physical strength and I suspect can deliver hard short punches for inside fighting. I agree 100% that he has no inside game. A guy like Duran could destroy other fighters with his inside fighting. He was a master at trapping the opponents arms and delivering hard short punches with his free hand. Not suggesting he could ever be like Duran but he needs to improve. Duran was also a master at feignting. Also when Duran got a guy hurt he didn't waste punches.

[Doctor_Tenma]

He has the physical strength and I suspect can deliver hard short punches for inside fighting. I agree 100% that he has no inside game. A guy like Duran could destroy other fighters with his inside fighting. He was a master at trapping the opponents arms and delivering hard short punches with his free hand. Not suggesting he could ever be like Duran but he needs to improve. Duran was also a master at feignting. Also when Duran got a guy hurt he didn't waste punches.

Just like Andre Ward for example, didn't have the physical abilities of some of the past greats but he took some stuff out of Mayweather and B-Hop's book, he knew how to position himself in close, left shoulder under his opponent's chin whilst tying up their left arm and working short uppercuts to the mid section, that stuff accumulates. We look at these punches and think nothing of them because we're so used to reacting to hard punches and half the time commentators get it wrong because that stuff gets blocked a lot and so the one tiring is the guy throwing the shot.

Those short shots inside that go unnoticed, fighters need to develop that. By the way, Duran was definitely the master at that and greatest inside operator I've ever seen. Add Pernell Whitaker on to that list, for as great of a boxer he was he was also an exceptional inside fighter.

[GhostofDempsey]

Golovkin fights on instincts. After almost 400 amateur/pro fights, he isn't learning anything new. He selected a budget coach because he he needed a yes-man to hold the spit bucket. If he really wanted to improve his form or have someone actually coach him in the corner, he would have selected someone like Roach, Atlas, McGirt, Diaz, etc.

[Slyboots]

Golovkin fights on instincts. After almost 400 amateur/pro fights, he isn't learning anything new. He selected a budget coach because he he needed a yes-man to hold the spit bucket. If he really wanted to improve his form or have someone actually coach him in the corner, he would have selected someone like Roach, Atlas, McGirt, Diaz, etc.

This right here.

[IceTrayDaGang]

Golovkin fights on instincts. After almost 400 amateur/pro fights, he isn't learning anything new. He selected a budget coach because he he needed a yes-man to hold the spit bucket. If he really wanted to improve his form or have someone actually coach him in the corner, he would have selected someone like Roach, Atlas, McGirt, Diaz, etc.

couldnt agree more.

[RL_GMA]

What should one expect from a 37 year old fighter? When has GGG EVER been a defensive minded fighter as what Banks is suggesting he become? I think we saw an old GGG that sure might've been under the weather but I don't feel the fight would've played that much more different. People act as if Steve Rolls wasn't landing pretty easy in that 2nd round which wasn't a norm for guys of Rolls' level. If I'm GGG I'm praying Canelo takes the 3rd fight in May which will be his last monster payday.

[boliodogs]

I think Banks stinks and is a ****** person and a lousy trainer and GGG should get a new better trainer. Banks seemed to blame GGG for not doing better by following his instructions. Worst yet he goes public praising the hell out of Dervy and trashing his own boxer. He said the score should have been closer and damn near said he thought Dervy won. It's OK for him to think that but he should keep those thoughts to himself. A good trainer supports his boxer and never goes public saying he thinks his boxer lost or came close to losing. He always says his boxer did well and deserved the win by the amount he won or more even if he doesn't really believe it. I have never heard a trainer praise the other boxer so much and say his fighter fought poorly and should not have won by the amount he did and maybe even should have lost. Never. GGG should fires this guy now. He doesn't need to pay a trainer to tell the world he is no good and just lost a fight he won.

[champion4ever]

I thought Golovkin's conditioning was alright, it was more that he can't pull the trigger anymore, reminded me of Mosley at the tail end of his career. No trainer is going to fix that. Only thing Golovkin needs to add to his game is a decent at best inside game, work on that shovel hook to the body especially in the clinches. That's all he could hope for if he is to beat Derevyanchenko level fighters decisively moving forward.

What you just described is the second phase of an aging fighter. The lack of speed or hand to eye coordination. Which is characterized by the inability to pull the trigger; The lack of timing, accuracy, snap and pop on one's punches.