Golovkin under Banks - what did we learn?

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  • satiev1
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    #11
    Originally posted by TonyGe
    He has the physical strength and I suspect can deliver hard short punches for inside fighting. I agree 100% that he has no inside game. A guy like Duran could destroy other fighters with his inside fighting. He was a master at trapping the opponents arms and delivering hard short punches with his free hand. Not suggesting he could ever be like Duran but he needs to improve. Duran was also a master at feignting. Also when Duran got a guy hurt he didn't waste punches.
    Duran also got knocked the **** out many time something which ggg has yet to do at even 37.

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      #12
      Originally posted by j0zef
      What does NSB think of Banks as a trainer?

      I was not impressed in the least. Let's look at a few categories, I'm comparing him to how he was under Sanchez.. not in absolutes.

      -Conditoning = C. Looked far worse than G ever looked under Sanchez. It's possible that he was sick and it played a huge role in it, but we'll never know.
      -Power = D. One of the most surprising things in this fight is how many times G landed cleanly and Sergiy didn't even buckle. Usually with that amount of clear punches landed, the guy would be in deep trouble. Where did the power go?
      -Technique = C-. I didn't see many stylistic changes in this version of G from previously. He tried to move his head in the first 2 rounds, but quickly abandoned it. He stopped jabbing which was very surprising. Or rather, he got outjabbed by shorter stockier fighter. He settled in and his defense got better in 2nd half, but he was still incapable of getting out of the way of the flurries. He boxed well off the backfoot like he did in 2nd Canelo fight, but was turned around a lot more. He didn't control the ring well, at all.
      Adjustments = F. Golovkin didn't make many adjustments under Sanchez, but he didn't need to. He was able to force others fight his fight. He made adjustments during 2nd Canelo fight to go off the back foot, but during last 3-4 rounds he was back to being the same aggressor. During this fight, Banks contributed absolutely nothing. His advice in the corner was 'jab more', and NOTHING else. Dude was talking about how G was afraid to pull the trigger (hello Wlad vs. Fury) and how he needs to jab. Really?
      Motivation = B-. Sanchez was able to keep his guy pumped and give solid advice in the corner. Banks was just slow, methodical, and steadfast. It's a great quality, but he needed to do a little more to keep his guy in it. Golovkin also said several times that he lost focus. What/how/why could that ever happen? Weird to hear.

      What do you think?
      Sergey has a unique style where he smothers you. Bad style match up. He'd give anyone hell. I disagree about not adjusting. After getting hurt in the body, ggg did adjust and defend the body shots a lot better.

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      • TonyGe
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        #13
        Originally posted by satiev1
        Duran also got knocked the **** out many time something which ggg has yet to do at even 37.
        Yeah that's one trait he shouldn't emulate. He also blew up in weight between fights partied and generally did whatever he without regard for his health.

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        • Redd Foxx
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          #14
          I don't see much change but I do hear better corner work. Problem is, it's still not the solution for Golovkin. Calling for more defense and more output (literally what he asked for) doesn't mean a whole lot. If it were that easy, everyone would just do more of both.

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          • Boksfan
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            #15
            Banks is useless, that's what we learned.

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            • AKAcronym
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              #16
              Bring back his old Kazakh trainers.

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              • uppercut510
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                #17
                he wasn't cutting off the ring as usual, and his jab wasn't as sharp... he was always good but never great imo, but hes worn out, all those armature fights plus pro career, hes older... it happens
                Last edited by uppercut510; 10-07-2019, 02:54 PM.

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                • spenz
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                  #18
                  A. I learn that GGG can fight till 75 years old.
                  B. I also learn that GGG has some untapped abilities waiting to be unearth.
                  C. And recently GGG is to increase his offensive output while maximizing defense. This impregnable defense was demonstrated with banks' envisioning a Gatti-Ward scenario against Derevyanchenko.

                  Do this all make any sense? .. The answer is in GGG's cheapness.

                  This is what GGG wanted when he didn't want Sanchez because he was too expensive. There he have it, a cheap trainer with a bridge to sell. Banks do come in real cheap and his services is bundled with his nonsense and brain damage too.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by spenz
                    A. I learn that GGG can fight till 75 years old.
                    B. I also learn that GGG has some untapped abilities waiting to be unearth.
                    C. And recently GGG is to increase his offensive output while maximizing defense. This impregnable defense was demonstrated with banks' envisioning a Gatti-Ward scenario against Derevyanchenko.

                    Do this all make any sense? .. The answer is in GGG's cheapness.

                    This is what GGG wanted when he didn't want Sanchez because he was too expensive. There he have it, a cheap trainer with a bridge to sell. Banks do come in real cheap and his services is bundled with his nonsense and brain damage too.
                    Is that why all the others guys left Sanchez before Golovkin did?

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                    • sicko
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                      #20
                      Can't teach a old dog new tricks

                      GGG is what he is, it is laughable to try and change him and his style at 37 years old and this far in his career. Not a fan of Abel Sanchez, I think he is extremely overrated as a trainer BUT GGG looked better with him. Nothing against Johnathan Banks, very good trainer being a former fighter himself and working with and under the Great Emmanuel Steward. However, he is getting at 37 year old coming off of tough fights vs Jacobs and twice vs Canelo.

                      Trainers are just that TRAINERS, not Miracle Workers!

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