Comments Thread For: GGG: Biggest Opponent is My Age & Determination To Keep Boxing

[ShoulderRoll]

There's no hard and fast rule, the WBA count it and I guess that's what the official record states, but the general consensus among rational people is that you can only count 1 belt per sanction org per division at any given time.

Problem is, sometimes there's a super champ and sometimes there ain't. If there's no super champ seems most people are willing to accept that WBA World champ is the legitimate titlist... otherwise Broner would never have been a champ at WW for instance, or Linares at LW, yet these are accepted without question.

Like I say - no hard and fast rule, but that seems to be a sensible compromise.

In Golovkin's case there WAS a super champ when he was the regular champ. So defenses of the regular belt made during that time should not count towards any official world record.

It's asinine.

[Citizen Koba]

In Golovkin's case there WAS a super champ when he was the regular champ. So defenses of the regular belt made during that time should not count towards any official world record.

It's asinine.

For 5 of them. I tend to count him as having 15, not that it honestly matters of course.

[ShoulderRoll]

For 5 of them. I tend to count him as having 15, not that it honestly matters of course.

Saying he made 15 consecutive defenses is fine. That is accurate and factual.

And of course it matters. We are talking about a world record here. The standards for that type of thing should be kept high.

[aboutfkntime]

Saying he made 15 consecutive defenses is fine. That is accurate and factual.

And of course it matters. We are talking about a world record here. The standards for that type of thing should be kept high.

Golovkin became the WBA interim champion, when he beat a guy called Milton Núñez back in August 2010

the WBA later elevated Golovkin from interim champion, to regular champion, in October 2010

the WBA then elevated Golovkin from regular champion, to super champion, in June 2015... immediately prior to the Geale fight

from Geale to Canelo II (excluding Brook, who was not sanctioned)... Golovkin made 10 defences

the first 10 defences were not legit... Tapia (Dec 2010) - Adama (Feb 2014)

[ShoulderRoll]

Golovkin became the WBA interim champion, when he beat a guy called Milton Núñez back in August 2010

the WBA later elevated Golovkin from interim champion, to regular champion, in October 2010

the WBA then elevated Golovkin from regular champion, to super champion, in June 2015... immediately prior to the Geale fight

from Geale to Canelo II (excluding Brook, who was not sanctioned)... Golovkin made 10 defences

the first 10 defences were not legit... Tapia (Dec 2010) - Adama (Feb 2014)

aboutfkntime always coming through with the facts.

I stand corrected, bro.

[MurkaMan]

Yes. Floyd seemed to be a cut above them all. If only he wouldn't have worked the system, with fake retirements, hand picked opponents, (to make sure he matched up well against them), long layoffs, and waiting til fighters slowed down to fight them, he'd be the true goat. He may be the goat, but he never proved it. I got a prime RJJ as the goat.

Your delusional, NO ONE IN THE HISTORY of the sport can do what Floyd did. There are no "cherrypicked" opponents. Everytime he fought someone the media kept repeating "Oh Floyd fought them for a reason". Thats the jist of Floyd "cherrypicking". Him fighting someone too damn big and young for him, and the media nitpicking the opponent and lying about how its a cherrypick.

This man was 37yrs old 150lbs, and walked down Canelo who was 165lbs and 23yrs old. No one can do what Floyd was doing to opponents this good! This man is byfar the greatest fighter in the history of the sport. He never won fights. He DOMINATED fights, and we are really just lucky to be apart of this rich legacy!

[etech1]

Your delusional, NO ONE IN THE HISTORY of the sport can do what Floyd did. There are no "cherrypicked" opponents. Everytime he fought someone the media kept repeating "Oh Floyd fought them for a reason". Thats the jist of Floyd "cherrypicking". Him fighting someone too damn big and young for him, and the media nitpicking the opponent and lying about how its a cherrypick.

This man was 37yrs old 150lbs, and walked down Canelo who was 165lbs and 23yrs old. No one can do what Floyd was doing to opponents this good! This man is byfar the greatest fighter in the history of the sport. He never won fights. He DOMINATED fights, and we are really just lucky to be apart of this rich legacy!

Lol. I've been through this type of debate with Floyd fan boys like you a hundred times, and almost always win, unless their skull is just too thick.

Floyd worked the system, and exploited every loophole that this sport has due to no, one overall governing body.

Floyd is definitely an atg, no arguments there, but the goat? Gtfo.

Hey, everyone needs heros though. And I have absolutely no desire to spend the next 30 minutes of my life stating all the BS he pulled to keep that fake 0, so you keep the blinders on, keep your hero, and I'll keep my time. Lol

[MurkaMan]

Lol. I've been through this type of debate with Floyd fan boys like you a hundred times, and almost always win, unless their skull is just too thick.

Floyd worked the system, and exploited every loophole that this sport has due to no, one overall governing body.

Floyd is definitely an atg, no arguments there, but the goat? Gtfo.

Hey, everyone needs heros though. And I have absolutely no desire to spend the next 30 minutes of my life stating all the BS he pulled to keep that fake 0, so you keep the blinders on, keep your hero, and I'll keep my time. Lol

I wish SRL could work the system to where he was 37yrs old and embarrassing men who were 23yrs old and 15lbs bigger. I wish it was that simple homie. The fact of the matter is, this is the greatest fighter in the history of the sport. Look at what this man did to JMM. Canelo went up in weight to face big and bad GGG, and GGG didnt do anything similar to what Floyd did to JMM. This will never ever be duplicated again in the history of the sport!

20yrs, 50 fights, zero losses. On paper, this man is factually invincible. But thats just on paper. We could say the same for Calzage. But when we look at the eye test, look at how Joe won and how Floyd won. Floyd LOOKED unbeatable. He was laughing at opponents, making them look clumsy, and foolish. He barely broke a sweat.

See Im not a Floyd fan. Im a boxing fan. I love boxing. I love Joe, SRL, SRR, Ali, Joe Louis. I understand how hard they worked and how talented they were. And no matter what, they couldnt do what Floyd did.

Because I respect their work ethic and talent, I MUST give credit to Floyd for being lightyears better than them. Its the only fair thing to do!

[TonyGe]

aboutfkntime always coming through with the facts.

I stand corrected, bro.

How can anyone with an ounce of common sense get involved in a debate about records in the modern era of multiple champions in a division. It's getting as ridiculous as the idea of a lineal champion. I'm many cases the lineal champion is clearly not the best fighter in a division. It doesn't matter who the fighter are. Add in catchweight fights, rigged outcomes etc. to the mix and we end up with the mess the sanctioning bodies in concert with the promotors have left boxing in. Unbelievably we now have a Franchise Champion who does not have manditory defenses. Just think about that and how ridiculous it is.

[Citizen Koba]

aboutfkntime always coming through with the facts.

I stand corrected, bro.

Like I say there's no hard and fast rules if you want to say 10 that's cool too, but then you have to derecognise the 5 defenses GGG made as WBA 'World' when there was no super champion. Puts you in an awkward situation when you want to recognise other guys who were WBA champs when there was no 'Super' - Broner, Paulie, Linares to name a few. You could come up with a convoluted ruling whereby you somehow ain't recognised as a Champion if you became regular whilst there was a super even if there subsequently ain't but that looks kinda contrived since GGGs about the only person it'd apply to. My system's both logical and pretty neat I think.

Stated simply. Defenses of the World title should be counted unless there is an incumbent Super Champion.

As an aside the WBAs own rules state that a regular champion should be elevated to 'Super' status after 5 defenses - for some reason best known to themselves they didn't do this for GGG - but if they had followed their own rules he would have made.. yeah.. 15 defenses. Take that as you will.

2. Super Belts. Similarly the Association will grant Super Belts to those champions that make 5 or 10 (if it was the case) successful defenses of his title. These Super Belts will be named after those champions that have been able to defend their title 5 or 10 times. See Appendix C for a listing of boxers who are qualified for a Super Belt.

http://www.wbaboxing.com/wp-content/...ia-6-11-15.pdf

The slightly confusing reference to 10 defenses is a reference to those 'Super' belts granted retroactively to historical champs as becomes clear if one looks at the appendix referenced (appendix c).

A curious upshot of this rule of course is that the WBA 'Super' title should not, under their own ruling, be allowed to be won in the ring, although they do of course include an article that basically allows them to grant it to any World champion they choose without said champion having to fulfill any requirement at all. This kinda raises the question of how much more legitimate it is than the regular title anyway.. but I digress


EDIT: Ah. I'm not sure I've got this right - just cos it sounds too dumb to be true - but it looks like GGG might have been granted his 'super' title at 10 defenses instead of 5 because the 'Monzon' belt requires 10 defenses, even though there's a 5 defenses 'super' belt in every other division... why Sturm received his on fewer than 10 defenses (he was on 7) is just another example of the WBAs weirdness, but then many people reckon they created the ridiculous '5 defenses' rule back in 2009/10 solely for Sturms benefit anyway.. You couldn't make this **** up.

APPENDIX C

SUPER BELTS

Heavy: Joe Louis (5 defenses), Muhammad Ali (10 defenses);
Cruiser: Evander Holyfield (5 defenses);
Light Heavy: Archie Moore (5 defenses), Virgil Hill (10 Defenses);
Super Middle: Sugar Ray Leonard (5 defenses);
Middle:Carlos Monzon (10 defenses);
Super Welterweight:Thomas Hearns (5 defenses);
Welter: Sugar Ray Robinson (5 defenses);
Super Light: Antonio Cervantes "Kid Pambele" (5 defenses);
Light: Roberto Duran (5 defenses); Super Feather: Gabriel "Flash" Elorde (5 defenses);
Feather: Sandy Sadler (5 defenses), Eusebio Pedroza (10 defenses);
Bantam:Eder Jofre (5 defenses);
Super Bantam: Wilfredo Gomez (5 defenses);
Super Fly: Khaosay Galaxy (5 defenses); Fly: Pascual Perez (5 defenses); L
ight Fly: Yoko Gushiken (5 defenses);
Minimum: Leo Gamez (5 defenses)