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the FACT is that, Crawford/Spence IS the fight everyone wants to see. Not sure whats so hard to understand. You can put Spence in with the rest of the pbc ww's but EVERYONE still wants Crawford/Spence. REAL boxing fans who dont shill for promoters should want it as well.
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What are the specific financial terms of Spence's deals on those two fights beyond the guarantees? Did he get a percentage of gate sales? If so, how much precisely? What was his specific percent cut of the PPV sales? Do you know or are you just guessing? I think you're guessing. All we know is the amount of money that he has been guaranteed for those fights. The rest you are calculating out of your ass. Why stop at $10 million? Why not just round your estimation of his earnings to a reasonable $50 million per fight?Last edited by NachoMan; 10-03-2019, 09:51 AM.Comment
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Absolutely, that's why TR wanting to make the Spence fight next is perfectly fine. HOWEVER, with Spence returning in January against DSG, Arum should be more than open to putting Crawford in with Porter. He keeps trying to tell everyone how none of these guys are all that good and he has better fighters blah blah, but all that does is hurt Crawford. Who is Crawford fighting after Mean Machine? Will that opponent be better than Porter?Comment
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Long story short...arum wants Crawford vs Spence...haymon is avoiding it to make in house fights. Granted some of the fights are quality, certainly better than anything Crawford has lined up, but none of those fights are better than Crawford vs Spence. Why fault the side trying to make the best possible fight?Comment
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Um no, I'm going off what guys like Coppinger/Idec are reporting for the guarantees. I mean we will never know exactly what a fighter will make since no one will give full details of the deal, but we sure will get a good idea of what they make.
So you are telling me that Spence/Garcia had say 350k PPV buys at $75 a pop, which comes out to $26.25M and when you take out network/cable distributions, it comes out to about 12-13M along with a 4.7M gate to go along with sponsorship/international TV money and Spence only made 3M? That would be borderline ROBBERY done by his team if that was the case.
Whether Spence-Garcia produces somewhere between 250,000 and 350,000 buys, as most industry insiders have suggested, or better, Garcia and Spence will win. Their combined guarantees are believed to total somewhere between $15 million and $20 million.
And later or possibly before this article, he said Spence's guarantee was 9M and Garcia's guarantee was 8.5 million.
Then Copp said this in his chat two days ago:
So yeah, these figures I'm throwing out aren't made up. Actual boxing folks are saying this.Mike Coppinger
Oct 1, 5:37pm
@Tyler S. I don't see them budging, hard to do so when Spence is being guaranteed in the neighborhood of $7/8 millionComment
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You could also argue Arum is pricing his guy out by demanding a 50/50 split when even Crawford's biggest supporters wouldn't agree with that.
And it isn't about wanting the Spence fight. That is perfectly fine and we ALL want that fight. HOWEVER, he shouldn't be downplaying guys like Porter and saying he isn't a big name and isn't that good of a fighter. Arum SHOULD be getting slack for not wanting to put Crawford in with other top WWs. So just because he wants the Spence fight, it is okay for Crawford to fight less than top competition? He should be fine fighting guys like Benavidez and Mean Machine the rest of his career?Comment
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Fanagers.
Sucking the life out of boxing since 2005.
This fight will go the way of Floyd v Pac or Lewis v Bowe and certain people will satisfy themselves with "Bob Arum is the Devil".
Spence, Thurman and both Garcias have all publically declared they're not up for fighting Crawford. I don't see how you can blame that on Crawford or Arum.
Spence has beaten one top fighter in his prime and people want to talk about resume. It'd be funny if you guys weren't so serious.Comment
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Bob overpaid Crawford (by all accounts) 1 year before his contract was up to do exactly what he is doing now-use Crawford as a weapon in his PR war against Haymon.
Remember when Bob thought he had the bigger draw he said "I will not make the fight until its a PPV". Then, when Crawford's PPV didn't move as expected (in part because Bob fails to market/promote him well in urban areas) then he decided to call for the fight.
Now Spence plans to fight Danny (his mando) and Manny (cash grab unification) and Bob doesn't have opponents that can help Crawford sell so he will be losing more money until Spence fights Crawford. That is why he says he wants to make the fight now, not for the fans.
I want to se the fight just like you but Bob is getting what he deserves.Comment
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Yep, and I think I agree with Bob that Crawford could make easier work out of Porter. But we need to see it first. Thus far no one has really made easy work out of Porter with his style/strength. If Crawford can? That's a big statement. But it's just a perfect fight before the big showdown. We will have something to compare both fighters performances against a common opponent.
Why Arum is dismissive of Porter is baffling to me.Comment
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