Manny over Spence

[IceTrayDaGang]

How can I answer the question for you?


And why do you seem so uptight about this simple discussion. If it bothers you much to discuss this shlt, maybe you shouldn't. Your posts just reek of angst when I have no agenda. You need to relax, dude.


Again, I was asking because it would mean Spence has a better win at Welter than Pac, based on how you rank even this version of Pac. You seem to think he beats everyone in the welter division even right now. I certainly disagree with that.

here's one for ya... if manny beat spence, does that move him ahead of floyd?? lol!!!!

[travestyny]

proven and resume wise at WW, HE IS!! am i lying???!!!

Well it's opinion based and not factual. You are welcome to see it that way.

But I certainly can't rank Pac over the other welters at this stage in his career. Certainly he is not the best welter today. He's definitely below Spence and Crawford. And after Porter's last performance, that's not so clear to me. Before I would have thought he has a good chance of taking out Porter, but now I'm not so sure.

[IceTrayDaGang]

Well it's opinion based and not factual. You are welcome to see it that way.

But I certainly can't rank Pac over the other welters at this stage in his career. Certainly he is not the best welter today. He's definitely below Spence and Crawford. And after Porter's last performance, that's not so clear to me. Before I would have thought he has a good chance of taking out Porter, but now I'm not so sure.

no, that's not my opinion. that's facts. if you feel that i am wrong, then prove it to me.

[travestyny]

here's one for ya... if manny beat spence, does that move him ahead of floyd?? lol!!!!

Why is that funny? I made a thread on this very topic. I even mentioned you in it and discussed it with you.


The answer is...maybe. I'm not certain. I think he'd have a very good argument of moving ahead if he takes out Spence, but I lean toward no. One thing is for certain. His argument for being better would be much stronger. Right now, there isn't a doubt in my mind that Floyd is higher. A win over Spence at this stage in Manny's career would certainly make me rethink that some.

[travestyny]

no, that's not my opinion. that's facts. if you feel that i am wrong, then prove it to me.

Prove to you that it's an opinion. Um...ok. Here is boxrec's rankings.

[The Big Dunn]

I see it different. Manny is a bad matchup for spence. Spence has no foot work, defense or ring iq at the top level. Porter fought a relentless style because spence couldn't stop him from doing it.

Spence wouldn't pull that shlt on a Floyd or a power puncher

I respect your opinion but it must be noted that Manny and his team are not willing to fight Spence. I think that fact should make you consider your opinion problematic.

[pasawayako]

the only reason why they're holding spence to such a high standard is because he gave TBE the work in sparring. if it was any other fighter in the same position as spence, they would call him "unproven".

i cant wait when manny beats him and watch how they gonna spin it. will they finally give manny credit or will they say that spence is never any good? (even tho he gave TBE a busted eye in sparring)... so lets see how this plays out lol. will they admit that pac is just that good, or will they say that spence is never any good.

Even if pac will beat spence and crawford the haters will never give pac any credit..

[IceTrayDaGang]

Why is that funny? I made a thread on this very topic. I even mentioned you in it and discussed it with you.


The answer is...maybe. I'm not certain. I think he'd have a very good argument of moving ahead if he takes out Spence, but I lean toward no. One thing is for certain. His argument for being better would be much stronger. Right now, there isn't a doubt in my mind that Floyd is higher. A win over Spence at this stage in Manny's career would certainly make me rethink that some.

see, and this is why your logic is flaw... on most people's ranking, they have floyd as #1, and manny as #2... you're trying to convince me that if spence beat manny then he should be consider as the better fighter, totally ignoring all of pac's accomplishments. but then if pac beat spence then he's still not ahead of floyd. see how flaw your logic is? you acting like floyd is #1 and pac is #9 or something lol.

[Lopez_Boxing]

I respect your opinion but it must be noted that Manny and his team are not willing to fight Spence. I think that fact should make you consider your opinion problematic.

I can't speak on that fact. I dont know the behind the scene goings on and i tend to stay out of it. So many useless lies told from different teams i just wait until i hear some concret and reliable.

And what youre saying might be true. I had spence beating manny before the mikey and porter fight. And maybe pacs team did too. But after those performances theres no way i think Spence beats manny. Manny is not though guys. Even at 40

[The Big Dunn]

Again, people will forgive Pac for his cw against cott o as Pac was in it for the long run he was going to fight for another 10 years or so people will forgive pac. Each case of cw is taken on its own merit and not are all equal. He has more than made up for it to the point it's not a big deal, Pac s proved he was silly to use it he would have beat cott o regardless. Pac doing so well as a Ww now and beating thurman is evidence and proof enough for people to think that.
Floyd on the other hand was only going to have a couple more serious fights after nelo. A d Floyd had only beating wws turned lmw in dlh and cotto so are not so forgiving with floyd .
Pacs cw is justifiable. Floyd s not.

You forgive it because you are a pac semen slurper. We will never know if he'd beat Cotto at 147 because he didn't fight him at that weight. His beating Thurman now in no way means he'd have beaten Cotto at 147. He used a CW and its no different than any other fighter that imposes a cw on their opponent.