Can someone explain how Kovalev is the weakest at 175?

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  • Superbee
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    #31
    Originally posted by Beterbiev#1
    And you base this theory off what facts, evidence and opponents?

    I hope you're not using Jeff Paige Jr and Callum Johnson in your theory.
    Think what you want... Kalajdzic, Johnson, Koelling and Prieto had never been stopped...

    His general behavior since day one... His stance, his footwork, the way he batters you once he finds his way to the inside, his power from both hands, his determination...

    The way he destroyed Campillo and Cloud early in his career made me a fan...

    The way he dominated Kalajdzic in his last fight...

    I think he has what it takes to rule the Division...

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      #32
      Originally posted by Beterbiev#1
      1. Stevenson was over 40 when Gvov beat him, but you count that victory.
      Hopkins was 48, and that's STILL Kovalev's best victory.
      2. Were you one of the one's that said the only reason Ward " KO'd" Kovalev was due to low blows?
      Nope. Feel free to use search function. I'm on record saying that the fight was atrociously STOPPED due to lowblows, which is BS, but Kovalev was on a very, very clear way to getting KOd before the lowblows.



      KO'ing Shabranskyy in the 2nd round and KO'ing Yarde with a jab aren't good wins? But you count Bivol's victory over Pascal who has been past it since he fought Kovalev?
      Shabranskyy hasn't done anything in his career. Is he even top20? It took Kov 11 rounds to KO Yarde, and he got beat up and almost stopped in that fight. Anthony Yarde has absolutely no notable wins in his career.
      Pascal is older, but he just won a title. He's worse, but to say that 2 years between Bivol and Kov meant a lot to him is highly disputable. He's been fighting quality opposition and has been in great shape his whole career.




      Were you saying Kovalev's resume ****** before he fought Ward or like many fans on other boards, were you claiming Ward would duck Kovalev?
      Nope, I said his resume ****** before the 1st fight. Feel free to use the search function. Btw, your either/or argument makes no sense. I can claim that Kov's resume sucks but Ward would still duck him. There's no correlation.

      And if Kovalev's resume sucks, then exactly what do you call Bivol and Gvov's resume?
      Not sure what else you want me to say. I went over all of their resumes in detail. You're insinuating that Kov's resume is much better than Gvozdyk's or Bivol's. It's not, and I explained exactly why. . In 2018 there were 5 legitimate contenders for LHW crown - Kovalev, Beterbiev, Gvozdyk, Bivol and Alvarez. I was excited when Kov and Alvarez fought, but Kov proved nothing in that fight since he got KOd before outboxing him in the rematch.





      So you count this win for Bivol after Pascal had already been stopped twice by Kovalev and beaten by Alvarez? I won't even mention the Gonzales fight and the war with Bosse.
      Hopkins and Pascal are Kov's best wins. Bivol beat Pascal too. That is all.



      Bivol beat Chilemba after Chilemba already lost to Kovalev.
      Means nothing. Chilemba is not old or shot. Hell, I can argue that Chilemba was a better fighter after losing to Kov having learned from the experience.

      Beating Barrera and Joe Smith Jr are why Canelo should fight Bivol instead of Kovalev? If you say Kovalev's resume sucks I can only imagine what you'd do to Bivol's if he were to lose to Canelo.
      Canelo is fighting Kovalev because he has by far the best name at 175 and is by far the biggest weaknesses.




      He retired Chilemba in the corner, I wouldn't saybhe knocked him out. Oh, And he beat Chilemba after Kovalev already beat and dropped him.
      Yeahhhhhhhhh, having watched that fight, Chilemba was getting destroyed. If I remember he got checked out by doctors twice during mid rounds, and retired after an arm injury. Considering how brutal of a beating it was, I'm very comfortable calling that a legit TKO victory.
      And beating someone first means nothing.

      You call Kovalev old, but give Gvov credit for beating an even older and inactive Stevenson? What sense does that make? Are you also going to turn a blind eye to the fact that Jack had Stevenson out on his feet one fight prior?
      Correction, I call Kovalev old and shot after 1st Ward fight.
      And yes, I give Gvozdyk credit for beating a 40 year old Stevenson. Not sure why you call him inactive. He fought ~5-6 months prior to that bout. And the reason I bring up Stevenson is again, because Kovalev's best win in his career is 48 year old Hopkins. Yeah, 40 is old. But 48 is unheard-of-are-you-kidding-me-ancient.

      Did you also forget how Gvov was almost KO'd by Tommy K?
      Lol, go watch the fight, boxrec warrior. It was a flash KD, and even the announcers said he's taking him very lightly and has paid the price. It was the wakeup call Gvozdyk needed.

      You'll turn a blind eye to these facts, but will say that Kov is old and was almost out against Yarde.
      Still nope. I've followed the sport long enough to have seen the vast majority of all of these fights, the reactions and the build ups. I'm also neither a fanboy (of Canelo I assume?), nor a hater of any of these fighters mentioned here.

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      • Beterbiev#1
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        #33
        Originally posted by Superbee
        Think what you want... Kalajdzic, Johnson, Koelling and Prieto had never been stopped...
        So you count these guys, but turn a blind eye to Kovalev stopping Yarde, Shabranskyy and Mikhalkin who were 3 guys ranked higher than the guys you mentioned and also were never stopped?


        The way he destroyed Campillo and Cloud early in his career made me a fan...
        But Kovalev destroyed Campillo well before Beterbiev did.

        The way he dominated Kalajdzic in his last fight...

        I think he has what it takes to rule the Division...
        Ok fair enough if this is how you feel. But Kovalev has done the same against better opposition and didn't get dropped by Journeyman while doing it.

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        • Beterbiev#1
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          #34
          Originally posted by j0zef
          Hopkins was 48, and that's STILL Kovalev's best victory.
          Nope. Feel free to use search function. I'm on record saying that the fight was atrociously STOPPED due to lowblows, which is BS, but Kovalev was on a very, very clear way to getting KOd before the lowblows.



          Shabranskyy hasn't done anything in his career. Is he even top20? It took Kov 11 rounds to KO Yarde, and he got beat up and almost stopped in that fight. Anthony Yarde has absolutely no notable wins in his career.
          Pascal is older, but he just won a title. He's worse, but to say that 2 years between Bivol and Kov meant a lot to him is highly disputable. He's been fighting quality opposition and has been in great shape his whole career.




          Nope, I said his resume ****** before the 1st fight. Feel free to use the search function. Btw, your either/or argument makes no sense. I can claim that Kov's resume sucks but Ward would still duck him. There's no correlation.

          Not sure what else you want me to say. I went over all of their resumes in detail. You're insinuating that Kov's resume is much better than Gvozdyk's or Bivol's. It's not, and I explained exactly why. . In 2018 there were 5 legitimate contenders for LHW crown - Kovalev, Beterbiev, Gvozdyk, Bivol and Alvarez. I was excited when Kov and Alvarez fought, but Kov proved nothing in that fight since he got KOd before outboxing him in the rematch.





          Hopkins and Pascal are Kov's best wins. Bivol beat Pascal too. That is all.



          Means nothing. Chilemba is not old or shot. Hell, I can argue that Chilemba was a better fighter after losing to Kov having learned from the experience.

          Canelo is fighting Kovalev because he has by far the best name at 175 and is by far the biggest weaknesses.




          Yeahhhhhhhhh, having watched that fight, Chilemba was getting destroyed. If I remember he got checked out by doctors twice during mid rounds, and retired after an arm injury. Considering how brutal of a beating it was, I'm very comfortable calling that a legit TKO victory.
          And beating someone first means nothing.


          Correction, I call Kovalev old and shot after 1st Ward fight.
          And yes, I give Gvozdyk credit for beating a 40 year old Stevenson. Not sure why you call him inactive. He fought ~5-6 months prior to that bout. And the reason I bring up Stevenson is again, because Kovalev's best win in his career is 48 year old Hopkins. Yeah, 40 is old. But 48 is unheard-of-are-you-kidding-me-ancient.

          Lol, go watch the fight, boxrec warrior. It was a flash KD, and even the announcers said he's taking him very lightly and has paid the price. It was the wakeup call Gvozdyk needed.


          Still nope. I've followed the sport long enough to have seen the vast majority of all of these fights, the reactions and the build ups. I'm also neither a fanboy (of Canelo I assume?), nor a hater of any of these fighters mentioned here.


          This is coming from a guy to claim to be knowledgeable and follows the sport all the while claiming resumes don't matter.

          I'll get to this post in a sec.

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          • Superbee
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            #35
            Originally posted by Beterbiev#1


            Ok fair enough if this is how you feel. But Kovalev has done the same against better opposition and didn't get dropped by Journeyman while doing it.
            Caparello would like to have a chat with you...

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            • Beterbiev#1
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              #36
              It's truly amazing watching the GGG fans chew through Kovalev's resume while justifying Golovkin's fights with Steve Rolls, Vanes Matrision and justifying his refusal to rematch Jacobs.

              Truly amazing at the type of boxing fans we have today.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Superbee
                Caparello would like to have a chat with you...
                Lol the punch didn't even land. Did you see the fight?

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                • Superbee
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                  #38



                  It landed hard enough to put him down though...

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                  • STREET CLEANER
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Beterbiev#1
                    Kovalev was KO'd in the amateurs with headgear. Was he over the hill before his career began?
                    Did you read the whole thing?

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                    • patron
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                      #40
                      I dont think anyone in here can answer that unless they been in the ring with him. I doubt anyone will.

                      Kovalev is the biggest name in the division. Boxing is a business.

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