Comments Thread For: Kovalev: Canelo is a Real Fighter - Not Like Andre Ward!

[Boxing_1013]

You can’t take any sh.it Personal on the Internet , Especially on this Site

New Jersey for a Ward / Froch fight is basically middle ground , can’t have it in the West Coast / Can’t have it in the UK New Jersey makes sense because it’s roughly right in the Middle of the 2 distance wise.

I could be wrong because I only watched the fights once , But I didn’t see a close fight , just a fight everyone expected Kov to blast through and make easy work of Chilemba like he had done every other time he fought , but partly because Chikembas ugly style was able to go the distance and able to win a few rounds.

Ward / Barerra I do t remember being close at all / Almost a Ward shutout

With Ward / Kov 1 , I think I had it 4-1 Eith a KD for Kov after 5 then the last 6/7 for Ward. Kov just jumped to a early lead then started just fading with Ward always able to do more in the 2nd half Rounds.

? I haven’t watched any of those fights for years so my recollection could be wrong

I’m sure we’d agree on majority of sh.it in the sport but not that you’ll ever change someone’s views on here but the disagreements are better to discuss

Hey man all we can do is call it like we see it...I can tell more or less those on here who are just keeping it real according to how they see it, by the way in which they interact with those who don't share their views.

When you are cordial and non-emotional about the topic, as you are, that person imo is usually just calling it like they see it...when someone starts getting really emotional or name-calling, especially when they name call the other fighters, it just kind of exposes them a bit.

But I respect your opinion on this even if we disagree, and I'm sure I'll run across some posts of yours soon where we do agree! And I'll be sure to back you up if needed lol

Random - but curious - how did you score Hagler-Leonard if you ever watched that one?

[Griever0730]

Eeh man come on...that first fight was clear for Kov...I could see splitting the last 6 rounds 3-3...but people giving Ward all or 5 of those rounds...you are basically saying he should have won 10-2 to 12-0 if they whole fight was that way...just wild imo....you could just as easily have given Kov all of the close rounds in the first fight and he would have won 11-1 or 12-0...which is a bad card as well...8-4 or in that immediate range was the only real card, for Kov, in fight 1.

Also lol...I watched a lot of Ward's fights, most of them against the B level or above guys...I agree that, dirty tactics or not, he did well to neutralize a lot of his opponents...but he himself was also largely neutralized in those fights...almost every round he fought against anyone from Sakio Bika to the level of Kov, was more or less an even round, and he probably had as many clear round losses as he had clear round wins...he was good at mucking up rounds, but winning clear rounds, nah I never saw that my friend.

Also, I think the way Kov came back and beat Yarde shows that he may not have been done in that fight with Ward, and may have had a 2nd wind coming...low blows aside...Kov looked just as finished against Yarde in round 7? as he did vs Ward in the 2nd fight, around the same round.

I get what you're saying. But Yarde showed he has an even worse gas tank than Kovalev. Dude was almost dead halfway in & blew what he had left tryna take Kovalev out in that round. He threw almost nothing the rest of the fight & was so dead he got dropped by a hard jab & didn't even have the energy to get up from it. The first Ward fight nobody won that wide. I had it for Kovalev close 7-5 or something like that, but alot of the rounds from round 5 on were were swing rounds imo. Against all other top opponents, regardless of how many rounds were close or not, he made all the other guys look nothing like how they normally look against any other opponent(Froch, Kessler, Dawson, etc.) Other than Kovalev, none of his other fights were really debatable.

[MulaKO]

Kovi just a tad salty

[Boxing_1013]

I get what you're saying. But Yarde showed he has an even worse gas tank than Kovalev. Dude was almost dead halfway in & blew what he had left tryna take Kovalev out in that round. He threw almost nothing the rest of the fight & was so dead he got dropped by a hard jab & didn't even have the energy to get up from it. The first Ward fight nobody won that wide. I had it for Kovalev close 7-5 or something like that, but alot of the rounds from round 5 on were were swing rounds imo. Against all other top opponents, regardless of how many rounds were close or not, he made all the other guys look nothing like how they normally look against any other opponent(Froch, Kessler, Dawson, etc.) Other than Kovalev, none of his other fights were really debatable.

Well I respectfully disagree with some of that man but what can ya do...I would have liked to have seen a conclusive ending in fight 2 between Ward and Kov, and the ending shots just kind of ruined that for me a bit...I also just never really saw great boxing skills from Ward against B-level or up fighters, but I do think he was a really tough and smart fighter...you can't employ the style he fought for as long as he did it, and not be very tough.

I also just saw I think 5 clear rounds for Kov in fight 1 with Ward...and 7 fairly close rounds imo...to give Ward all 7...likewise someone could give Kov all 7....and could have him winning 12-0...so when I see someone say Ward won 7-5 or even close to that...it just brings up an image of if someone had Kovalev winning 12-0 in that fight lol.

I just really think justifying cards in 'wins' like that, by giving a guy every possible round you can, just sets a bad precedent and leads to bad cards/decisions...very rarely have I seen a clear 10-2 fight that goes 12 rounds...usually if a guy is that dominant, there is a KO or multiple KDs before it ends.

I just think that finding a way to slide a guy every close round, instead of more or less splitting them, leads to really bad cards...and tbh I can't really see how people can even watch Ward's fights with Bika or Barrera and see a dominant victory...I just remember watching those fights and shrugging my shoulders after every round, they were really competitive close fights....Ward just never had those Usyk/Lara/Rigo/Loma/Floyd/GGG skills imo where he would clearly win a few or more rounds in his big fights.

Oh well all we can do is call it like we see it there

[Griever0730]

Well I respectfully disagree with some of that man but what can ya do...I would have liked to have seen a conclusive ending in fight 2 between Ward and Kov, and the ending shots just kind of ruined that for me a bit...I also just never really saw great boxing skills from Ward against B-level or up fighters, but I do think he was a really tough and smart fighter...you can't employ the style he fought for as long as he did it, and not be very tough.

I also just saw I think 5 clear rounds for Kov in fight 1 with Ward...and 7 fairly close rounds imo...to give Ward all 7...likewise someone could give Kov all 7....and could have him winning 12-0...so when I see someone say Ward won 7-5 or even close to that...it just brings up an image of if someone had Kovalev winning 12-0 in that fight lol.

I just really think justifying cards in 'wins' like that, by giving a guy every possible round you can, just sets a bad precedent and leads to bad cards/decisions...very rarely have I seen a clear 10-2 fight that goes 12 rounds...usually if a guy is that dominant, there is a KO or multiple KDs before it ends.

I just think that finding a way to slide a guy every close round, instead of more or less splitting them, leads to really bad cards...and tbh I can't really see how people can even watch Ward's fights with Bika or Barrera and see a dominant victory...I just remember watching those fights and shrugging my shoulders after every round, they were really competitive close fights....Ward just never had those Usyk/Lara/Rigo/Loma/Floyd/GGG skills imo where he would clearly win a few or more rounds in his big fights.

Oh well all we can do is call it like we see it there

I get you. We can agree to disagree. When a fight has rounds that get too close to call, then the variables of boxing rear it's head(judging for the hometown/ home country guy, bigger name, promotional company fighter getting the BOTD, etc) & leads to some head-scratching scorecards & then everybody starts crying robbery for one guy or the other. I agree it was hard sometimes judging Ward fights because his style is not pretty to watch but it was always effective in getting the other guy off his game. The ending to the 2nd fight still does leave a weird taste bc of the low shots he took at end of itbut the way Krusher looked at that point I just didn't think he was gonna finish the fight regardless.

[R_Walken]

Hey man all we can do is call it like we see it...I can tell more or less those on here who are just keeping it real according to how they see it, by the way in which they interact with those who don't share their views.

When you are cordial and non-emotional about the topic, as you are, that person imo is usually just calling it like they see it...when someone starts getting really emotional or name-calling, especially when they name call the other fighters, it just kind of exposes them a bit.

But I respect your opinion on this even if we disagree, and I'm sure I'll run across some posts of yours soon where we do agree! And I'll be sure to back you up if needed lol

Random - but curious - how did you score Hagler-Leonard if you ever watched that one?

Sh.it haven’t watched that fight in years

I had Hagler getting the clear win / Don’t remember wwhat I scored it but Think Leonard was given too much credit for late flurries and stealing rounds he didn’t deserve , Could be wrong though , It’s been at least 6-8 years since I watched it TBH

[stefjonno1]

Good to see that Kov and Froch are still bitter towards Ward. S.O.G took their soul.

[HAY-B]

I've never seen Canelo punch a guy in the nuts.

Really. So you're saying Canelo has never landed below the belt going to the body? Your comment shows your bias and dislike of Ward. Every boxer has landed below the belt. Ward snatched kovalev's body. Did some shots stray low? Yes but none were intentional. Ward made Kovalev quit point blank period. Folks can say what they want about wards body attack but at no point did Kovalev take a knee and or call on the reg for time due to a low blow when the fight was stopped. So that tells me that Kovalev didn't feel he was fouled. Kovalev can't take it to the body and that's what Canelo will exploit and that's the reason GBP and Canelo is taking this fight . Had this been the Kovalev from 5 years ago there's no way in he'll Canelo would even think about making this fight.

[blitted_master]

Did you guys listen to Ward on the Joe Rogan podcast? He's messed up in the head from the Kovalev fights. He admitted the first fight could have gone either way and he's hurt by how people talked about him after both fights. He knows he got a lucky decision in the first fight and got away with dirty tactics in the second one.

[Boxing_1013]

I get you. We can agree to disagree. When a fight has rounds that get too close to call, then the variables of boxing rear it's head(judging for the hometown/ home country guy, bigger name, promotional company fighter getting the BOTD, etc) & leads to some head-scratching scorecards & then everybody starts crying robbery for one guy or the other. I agree it was hard sometimes judging Ward fights because his style is not pretty to watch but it was always effective in getting the other guy off his game. The ending to the 2nd fight still does leave a weird taste bc of the low shots he took at end of itbut the way Krusher looked at that point I just didn't think he was gonna finish the fight regardless.

I hear ya man, good points...in general I just try to score the close rounds 50-50...I do feel though that some guys can do a great job of snagging close-but-clear rounds...almost always it seems like those guys were great amateur fighters...Floyd was very good at that, and one the best current guys at doing that imo is BJS.

I didn't think he schooled Lemieux in the sense that he won every second of every round, but he imo won maybe every round by a few points and just did a great job of leaving me at the and of the round saying - 'yeah that was BJS round'...Andrade seems like that kind of guy from what I have seen as well.

I at least try to be neutral with it...I was probably rooting for Fury vs Wilder, but I thought the first 6 rounds were 3-3...they were tense rounds imo, neither guy really landing much, Fury maybe a couple more per round but often times Wilder the bigger punch or punches of the round in those 6.

Some had Loma beating Linares badly before the stoppage...I had it even...I had Campbell and Loma pretty even through 8 rounds or so as well...idk I just think I can tell when a guy is really in a fight, and when he is coasting...Floyd would coast imo, BJS can coast, Andrade can coast...Loma can, but not in those fights etc.

Anyway good talking man, I am sure we would agree on other things! lol