Why do we pretend Andy Ruiz is better than Schwarz or Wallin?

[KingHippo]

He's definitely better and is a legit top 5 in my book and should be undefeated.

As far as Wallin and Schwarz are concerned, it's perfectly fine as long as Wilder is next. A fighter like Fury should never be shamed for his choice of opponents considering what he has done and continues doing.

[DuckAdonis]

That's cool man...I wasn't really hating at all...I just know that I have gotten back into following boxing fairly heavily in the past 5-10 years.

And outside of working, working out, playing some golf, and following a few sports I feel I don't have a ton of time...so for someone to follow any particular division and know a ton about the lower ranked guys, it would seem to me that to do that would be a full-time job/hobby.

But then again I am only really watching the top fights more or less...or the ones on TV when I don't have much going on...so yeah I guess if you watch the Van Heerdan type fights in some weight classes it will give you an idea of the top 20 level or so at some of those classes.

Hope he can do a little something with his career...feel bad with what happened to his dad.

Yeah boxing isn't even broadcasted on TV where I live. The Netherlands doesn't really have any known boxers, only kickboxers. So I basically have to follow everything online. Only Holzken and now Spong is known for fighting Usyk lol. And they are both kickbox stars as well.

Yeah Van Heerden has had it tough. His last win Vs that russian was solid. He looked sharp. I'd like to see him in with some prospects like Bes***** or something. That would be a good test. But yeah that is the type of dudes I watch and follow at the lowest level. Prospects of course are lower ranked but they mostly have a good amateur career that I know them from. Their fights have to be posted online tho or I can't watch.

[nubianpiye]

Because out of 141 fights am and pro he has a re off of 135 - 6 😆 he has a better resume than wilder and fury now.

[Boxing_1013]

Yeah boxing isn't even broadcasted on TV where I live. The Netherlands doesn't really have any known boxers, only kickboxers. So I basically have to follow everything online. Only Holzken and now Spong is known for fighting Usyk lol. And they are both kickbox stars as well.

Yeah Van Heerden has had it tough. His last win Vs that russian was solid. He looked sharp. I'd like to see him in with some prospects like Bes***** or something. That would be a good test. But yeah that is the type of dudes I watch and follow at the lowest level. Prospects of course are lower ranked but they mostly have a good amateur career that I know them from. Their fights have to be posted online tho or I can't watch.

Nice man I used to love watching kickboxing...and most of the greats always seemed to be Dutch...I loved Le Banner lol...but that chin always got him in trouble.

Love watching the speedskating too...Sven Kramer cracked me up with that one interview he did years back

[Boxing_1013]

As far as Wallin and Schwarz are concerned, it's perfectly fine as long as Wilder is next. A fighter like Fury should never be shamed for his choice of opponents considering what he has done and continues doing.

Yet you hate on GGG for fighting Jacobs, Canelo, Canelo, and then Rolls on a tune up..and then SD...someone is a bit biased just messing with ya man and trying to help ya out a bit.

[KingHippo]

Yet you hate on GGG for fighting Jacobs, Canelo, Canelo, and then Rolls on a tune up..and then SD...someone is a bit biased just messing with ya man and trying to help ya out a bit.

Fury beat one of the greatest heavyweights in the history of the sport.

And about that Rolls bit:

While I do agree that the Kell Brook fight was a disgrace and that he shouldn't have ducked Derevanchyenko to fight Martyrosyan, this one is a perfectly understandable move. He isn't trying to risk his payday with Canelo, this is pure business.

Idiot

[Boxing_1013]

Fury beat one of the greatest heavyweights in the history of the sport.

And about that Rolls bit:



Idiot

Ok cool man

[CauliflowerEars]

Yet you hate on GGG for fighting Jacobs, Canelo, Canelo, and then Rolls on a tune up..and then SD...someone is a bit biased just messing with ya man and trying to help ya out a bit.

Lolololol.....So give me your quick rankings of 1-30 at HW, if you don't mind?
But hope you have a great day! Seems my comment back to you may have upset you a bit and that was not my intention...we seemed to have the same general opinion overall anyway.

Just wondering...maybe you are British? Then I could understand you following the lower ranked guys and getting excited about them...because that's usually where most of your guys are ranked just messing with ya man lol

Oh OK buddy very cool...I totally believe you didn't reference anything at all for your post either
Yeesh...thanks for proving my point in a way bud.
And wow no Usyk...tough rating system you have...maybe your Google search still has him at CW
Not to mention you seem to overrate the Brits a bit imo...having Hunter at 19 when his level is more or less proven is a little low, especially relative to Dubois and even Chisora. Ajagba seems a little low...interested to hear your thoughts about Yoka and Bakole as well since you are so knowledgeable about all of these fellas....their strengths/weaknesses/career prospects etc.
Thanks man I appreciate it!

Haha - Well you seem to be in some kind of froggy form this weekend, boss...
How ya been boss ? Popped my epoints betting cherry with the Loma fight. Probably not considered much of a risk, but who I had the wager with was quite convinced Loma was going down.

Between Loma's win and this upcoming Joshua--Ruiz deal, there's enough salt being dumped on NSB to cause a sodium alert.

Anyhow, in general I'd say it's more likely that Ruiz was underrated before the Joshua fight, as opposed to suggesting that Anthony Joshua is so poor, that Schwartz and Wallin level fighters would do the same as Ruiz did. In fact, I think Ruiz would dominate both Schwartz and Wallin. Wouldn't that clear it up for the TS ?
Oh and btw, yeah most guys know maybe the Top 10 in every division, varying from division to division. Of course I know the LW's better than the HW's...and so on.. and so on. Just depends who you follow.
If you can name 20 or more in any division, I'm definitely impressed.

Anyhow, take care frogger and who you think Lara is fighting next ? - Peace.

[Bob Haymon]

Ruiz looked very sloppy against Joshua. Joshua's weak chin bailed Andy out. He is not a better technical fighter than Schwarz or Wallin but he has enough natural talent(punch resistance, hand speed, stamina) to give the top guys problems.

[Boxing_1013]

Haha - Well you seem to be in some kind of froggy form this weekend, boss...
How ya been boss ? Popped my epoints betting cherry with the Loma fight. Probably not considered much of a risk, but who I had the wager with was quite convinced Loma was going down.

Between Loma's win and this upcoming Joshua--Ruiz deal, there's enough salt being dumped on NSB to cause a sodium alert.

Anyhow, in general I'd say it's more likely that Ruiz was underrated before the Joshua fight, as opposed to suggesting that Anthony Joshua is so poor, that Schwartz and Wallin level fighters would do the same as Ruiz did. In fact, I think Ruiz would dominate both Schwartz and Wallin. Wouldn't that clear it up for the TS ?
Oh and btw, yeah most guys know maybe the Top 10 in every division, varying from division to division. Of course I know the LW's better than the HW's...and so on.. and so on. Just depends who you follow.
If you can name 20 or more in any division, I'm definitely impressed.

Anyhow, take care frogger and who you think Lara is fighting next ? - Peace.

Hey bro..good to hear from you...I've seen you posting some lately and glad to see you are still around.

Yeah can't really hate on Ruiz...he showed his worth vs Parker...and then vs AJ...I'm sure some of these guys like Wallin or Schwarz will end up having the goods...but until they show it we have to view them cautiously.

Yeah I can probably name 10-20 guys from WW-175...and then at HW...but I wouldn't know where to rank most of them.

So how does the e-points betting thing work? I've never done it.

Yeah I thought that was a good competitive fight with Loma and Campbell...but how could anyone really pick Campbell to win going in lol