Why do we pretend Andy Ruiz is better than Schwarz or Wallin?

[Boxing_1013]

I'll give you mine buddy. To give you an idea

1.Tyson Fury
2.Wilder
3.Ruiz Jr
4.Joshua
5.Whyte
6.Povetkin
7.Ortiz
8.Parker
9.Pulev
10.Kownacki
11.Rivas
12.Chisora
13.Joyce
14.Dubois
15.Kabayel
16.Hrgovic
17.Hunter
18.Jennings
19.Takam
20.Breazeale
21.Washington
22.Efe Ajagba
23.Hughie Fury
24.Charles Martin
25.Kuzmin
26.Bakole
27.Yoka
28.Hammer
29.David Price
30.Evgeny Romanov


Something like this

Oh OK buddy very cool...I totally believe you didn't reference anything at all for your post either

Btw none of those guys I don't think are on Ruiz's resume...so to be familiar with many of the best names on Ruiz's resume you would apparently have to be familiar with like numbers 30-50 or worse at HW! Yeesh...thanks for proving my point in a way bud.

You just showed that to tout anything on Andy's resume beyond AJ and Parker is a stretch...though he showed he belonged at HW in those two fights and arguably won both so debating his level relative to Wallin and Schwarz is not really relevant at this time...he clearly must be considered above them and as one of the top 5-10 at HW.

And wow no Usyk...tough rating system you have...maybe your Google search still has him at CW

Not to mention you seem to overrate the Brits a bit imo...having Hunter at 19 when his level is more or less proven is a little low, especially relative to Dubois and even Chisora. Ajagba seems a little low...interested to hear your thoughts about Yoka and Bakole as well since you are so knowledgeable about all of these fellas....their strengths/weaknesses/career prospects etc.

Thanks man I appreciate it!

[DuckAdonis]

Oh OK buddy very cool...I totally believe you didn't reference anything at all for your post either

Btw none of those guys I don't think are on Ruiz's resume...so to be familiar with many of the best names on Ruiz's resume you would apparently have to be familiar with like numbers 30-50 or worse at HW! Yeesh...thanks for proving my point in a way bud.

You just showed that to tout anything on Andy's resume beyond AJ and Parker is a stretch...though he showed he belonged at HW in those two fights and arguably won both so debating his level relative to Wallin and Schwarz is not really relevant at this time...he clearly must be considered above them and as one of the top 5-10 at HW.

And wow no Usyk...tough rating system you have...maybe your Google search still has him at CW

Not to mention you seem to overrate the Brits a bit imo...having Hunter at 19 when his level is more or less proven is a little low, especially relative to Dubois and even Chisora. Ajagba seems a little low...interested to hear your thoughts about Yoka and Bakole as well since you are so knowledgeable about all of these fellas....their strengths/weaknesses/career prospects etc.

Thanks man I appreciate it!

I keep an up to date top 20-25 of about every division in boxing on Eyonthering....

Didnt include Usyk because he has had no fight at Heavyweight yet.

[Marchegiano]

y'all playin

[Boxing_1013]

though to be fair I don't really follow any division beyond the top 10 or so guys

Lolololol.....So give me your quick rankings of 1-30 at HW, if you don't mind?

I'll give you mine buddy. To give you an idea

1.Tyson Fury
2.Wilder
3.Ruiz Jr
4.Joshua
5.Whyte
6.Povetkin
7.Ortiz
8.Parker
9.Pulev
10.Kownacki
11.Rivas
12.Chisora
13.Joyce
14.Dubois
15.Kabayel
16.Hrgovic
17.Hunter
18.Jennings
19.Takam
20.Breazeale
21.Washington
22.Efe Ajagba
23.Hughie Fury
24.Charles Martin
25.Kuzmin
26.Bakole
27.Yoka
28.Hammer
29.David Price
30.Evgeny Romanov


Something like this

Btw...you kind of missed my point I was making in the discussion there with the other gentleman...my point was that boxers 11-30+ (as a group) in any division are not really scouted much in detail even by 'hardcore' fans...to label a guy as clearly number 15 or clearly number 25 is never really done and it isn't really necessary.

If guys around that level are good enough, they end up proving it and moving up the rankings accordingly...the only 'rankings' that really matter for fans is ranking of the top few to 5 guys in a division, and to be informed about who that group is, you need to know a good deal about the top 10 or so guys in most divisions.

Perhaps some fans take more of an interest in certain divisions than others...and HW is a premier division so perhaps some really do their homework on the top 50 prospects and know all about them...but most probably don't know a great deal about most guys from 11-30, even if we do know their names...there is no real reason to know that much about them...maybe we all have a few prospects coming through that we know and follow...but in general no one really follows those lower ranked guys as a group.

Btw...without even referencing your list or any other...I could name Fury, Wilder, Ruiz, AJ, Ortiz, Whyte, Breazeale, Parker, Washington, Ajagba, Chisora, Joyce, Dubois, Povetkin, Hunter, Usyk, Gassiev, Hughie, Rivas, Dimitrichenko, Wallin, Schwarz, Pulev, Takam in just about 1-2 minutes of thinking...recalling guys who fight at a weight isn't really that tough.

But to seriously follow any weight class enough to have a ranking of numbers 11-30 that you would be willing to defend on the specifics of where certain guys are ranked there...I mean it is rather laughable that anyone, even on this boxing website, follows any division that closely...you would have to have an opinion of the top 50 guys in the division to be able to come up with the fringe of that top 30.

Maybe a few guys on here follow one division that closely...but I would wager that no one on here follows any division that closely...not a bad list you gave though...just need to update that Google search to include Usyk

[Boxing_1013]

I keep an up to date top 20-25 of about every division in boxing on Eyonthering....

Didnt include Usyk because he has had no fight at Heavyweight yet.

Ok so you're saying you are deriving income from following every division and who the top 50 or so guys are in those divisions? Because to come up with a top 25 you have to follow at least 40 pretty in depth I would think.

And if you are making money from it, that's cool...but I would imagine if you are doing that it would be your primary income and take up a significant amount of your time to do it properly.

[DuckAdonis]

Btw...you kind of missed my point I was making in the discussion there with the other gentleman...my point was that boxers 11-30+ (as a group) in any division are not really scouted much in detail even by 'hardcore' fans...to label a guy as clearly number 15 or clearly number 25 is never really done and it isn't really necessary.

If guys around that level are good enough, they end up proving it and moving up the rankings accordingly...the only 'rankings' that really matter for fans is ranking of the top few to 5 guys in a division, and to be informed about who that group is, you need to know a good deal about the top 10 or so guys in most divisions.

Perhaps some fans take more of an interest in certain divisions than others...and HW is a premier division so perhaps some really do their homework on the top 50 prospects and know all about them...but most probably don't know a great deal about most guys from 11-30, even if we do know their names...there is no real reason to know that much about them...maybe we all have a few prospects coming through that we know and follow...but in general no one really follows those lower ranked guys as a group.

Btw...without even referencing your list or any other...I could name Fury, Wilder, Ruiz, AJ, Ortiz, Whyte, Breazeale, Parker, Washington, Ajagba, Chisora, Joyce, Dubois, Povetkin, Hunter, Usyk, Gassiev, Hughie, Rivas, Dimitrichenko, Wallin, Schwarz, Pulev, Takam in just about 1-2 minutes of thinking...recalling guys who fight at a weight isn't really that tough.

But to seriously follow any weight class enough to have a ranking of numbers 11-30 that you would be willing to defend on the specifics of where certain guys are ranked there...I mean it is rather laughable that anyone, even on this boxing website, follows any division that closely...you would have to have an opinion of the top 50 guys in the division to be able to come up with the fringe of that top 30.

Maybe a few guys on here follow one division that closely...but I would wager that no one on here follows any division that closely...not a bad list you gave though...just need to update that Google search to include Usyk

I don't include fighters like Gassiev and Usyk who haven't fought at Heavyweight yet

[DuckAdonis]

Ok so you're saying you are deriving income from following every division and who the top 50 or so guys are in those divisions? Because to come up with a top 25 you have to follow at least 40 pretty in depth I would think.

And if you are making money from it, that's cool...but I would imagine if you are doing that it would be your primary income and take up a significant amount of your time to do it properly.

Nah, I don't watch tape on all. Especially not in the lower divisions. But I try to watch as much as I can. Just because I enjoy it. Keep up a fight schedule there as well to keep track of the boxers. Not for money, just for fun. I like following boxers careers. From promising former soviet prospects on YouTube to guys like Van Heerden on Top Rank undercards for example. Not really below that level.
It's not like I'm watching dudes no one knows.

[Marchegiano]

Btw...you kind of missed my point I was making in the discussion there with the other gentleman...my point was that boxers 11-30+ (as a group) in any division are not really scouted much in detail even by 'hardcore' fans...to label a guy as clearly number 15 or clearly number 25 is never really done and it isn't really necessary.

If guys around that level are good enough, they end up proving it and moving up the rankings accordingly...the only 'rankings' that really matter for fans is ranking of the top few to 5 guys in a division, and to be informed about who that group is, you need to know a good deal about the top 10 or so guys in most divisions.

Perhaps some fans take more of an interest in certain divisions than others...and HW is a premier division so perhaps some really do their homework on the top 50 prospects and know all about them...but most probably don't know a great deal about most guys from 11-30, even if we do know their names...there is no real reason to know that much about them...maybe we all have a few prospects coming through that we know and follow...but in general no one really follows those lower ranked guys as a group.

Btw...without even referencing your list or any other...I could name Fury, Wilder, Ruiz, AJ, Ortiz, Whyte, Breazeale, Parker, Washington, Ajagba, Chisora, Joyce, Dubois, Povetkin, Hunter, Usyk, Gassiev, Hughie, Rivas, Dimitrichenko, Wallin, Schwarz, Pulev, Takam in just about 1-2 minutes of thinking...recalling guys who fight at a weight isn't really that tough.

But to seriously follow any weight class enough to have a ranking of numbers 11-30 that you would be willing to defend on the specifics of where certain guys are ranked there...I mean it is rather laughable that anyone, even on this boxing website, follows any division that closely...you would have to have an opinion of the top 50 guys in the division to be able to come up with the fringe of that top 30.

Maybe a few guys on here follow one division that closely...but I would wager that no one on here follows any division that closely...not a bad list you gave though...just need to update that Google search to include Usyk

There's nothing wrong with being a divisional fan and investing more time into one division. Especially the HW division. It's historically much more significant.

[Boxing_1013]

Nah, I don't watch tape on all. Especially not in the lower divisions. But I try to watch as much as I can. Just because I enjoy it. Keep up a fight schedule there as well to keep track of the boxers. Not for money, just for fun. I like following boxers careers. From promising former soviet prospects on YouTube to guys like Van Heerden on Top Rank undercards for example. Not really below that level.
It's not like I'm watching dudes no one knows.

That's cool man...I wasn't really hating at all...I just know that I have gotten back into following boxing fairly heavily in the past 5-10 years.

And outside of working, working out, playing some golf, and following a few sports I feel I don't have a ton of time...so for someone to follow any particular division and know a ton about the lower ranked guys, it would seem to me that to do that would be a full-time job/hobby.

But then again I am only really watching the top fights more or less...or the ones on TV when I don't have much going on...so yeah I guess if you watch the Van Heerdan type fights in some weight classes it will give you an idea of the top 20 level or so at some of those classes.

Hope he can do a little something with his career...feel bad with what happened to his dad.

[Boxing_1013]

There's nothing wrong with being a divisional fan and investing more time into one division. Especially the HW division. It's historically much more significant.

No doubt...I think I said as much in one of my posts...WW MW and HW stand out to me as most historically significant so if anyone follows one or all of those in detail I can understand that...my original point was that in general I don't follow/rank the guys past the top 10 in any division...they just aren't really relevant to me at that point.

I sometimes have some prospects I like and follow but as a group I don't really follow anyone past top 10 level.