Comments Thread For: Hearn: GGG Won't Wait For Canelo; Lots Of Opponents For Him

[Boxing_1013]

To be fair you guys do give him excuse after excuse. Why can’t GGG be the one going up to 175 to challenge someone? Why has it been Canelo is the only big fight he can make for like 5 years running ?

To be fair, I think GGG's 'legacy' at MW is enhanced due to the fact that he fought his entire pro career at MW, and even a considerable amount of his amateur career and success was at MW.

I also think it is fair to criticize him for not moving up at some point in his career for 'legacy' reasons...in the end by far the best business move though seemed to be waiting on Canelo...and to your point about that being his only big fight, well that Canelo fight is the big goal for everyone, and GGG got it twice so far, and parlayed that into another $100 million from DAZN...so chasing Canelo is just good business sometimes.

But I agree that for legacy purposes he could have moved up at some point...or even negotiated with Nelo or Cotto on weight and moved down some...then again those guys were fighting at MW, and fighting them drained doesn't necessarily make it a legacy fight ya know...a lot of times those end up being a sham fight in a way.

I think GGG would have gone to 154 for Floyd or Manny if those fights ever materialized, but they were always pie in the sky.

If Nelo fights Kov with no weight restrictions or conditions I will give him full credit.

[Boxing_1013]

Cuz you see what you want to see, not what actually happened.

Man if GGG lost I would not are 1 bit really...I don't think you and many others give him a fair shake but what can ya do...we will just agree to disagree I suppose

[Thuglife Nelo]

If Nelo fights Kov with no weight restrictions or conditions I will give him full credit.

Pacquiao is boxing’s catchweight king. Your credit wouldn’t be necessary.

Floyd got credit for 152...

[Boxing_1013]

IBF allowed him to fight Vanes.

After the fight, the IBF told GGG he has to take his mandatory in SD.

He said no and fought Canelo instead.

Nope. Wrong again. Per Fat Dan BEFORE the fight:

The IBF on Friday granted unified middleweight world champion Gennady Golovkin an exception to his mandatory defense to face late substitute Vanes Martirosyan, but with the stipulation that his next fight, should he defeat Martirosyan, has to come against Sergey Derevyanchenko if he wants to keep the belt.

You guys aren't really saying different things here, Ake-Dawg...IBF allowed the exception to fight Vanes on short notice to save the date, with the order that SD must be next...GGG and SD negotiated and couldn't come to terms, as GGG likely wanted to fight Nelo next in rematch/grudge match/big payday.

I don't really get the slighting of GGG in that instance...it is pretty clear from SD's history (and GGG's for that matter) that it is not an over-night thing to negotiate a fight...to think he would have really come in on the May 5th date and fought GGG on a month's notice, and that all of the terms and money could have been worked out by then, is a big stretch imo.

I know after the fact that SD's team said he was ready on that date...but it would seem that was just part of an attempt to force the IBF's hand in stripping GGG...again with SD's history (look at how long it took him to negotiate with his own stablemate Jacobs, and they have basically the same team; he couldn't get a deal done with Canelo; and it took him about a month recently to finally get it done with GGG), I just think it is a big reach to try and slight GGG for that whole situation.

Makes people who get on GGG about stuff seem a little desperate and biased imo

Kell Brook was a welterweight and Lemieux hasn't beaten anyone above the Rosado Stevens level.

A guy BJS wiped the floor with is GGG 2nd best win. Is he good, yes. Is he overhyped, yes. Why, because his fights don't match the accolades or the bragging his fans do.

As I've said before, I think when you factor in the manner in which GGG has won his fights, and also the good quality of his opponents, his resume as a pro is very very good...history shows that most greats or ATGs have a slip up when they face 10 solid fighters, GGG has faced about 15 and never had one...I think that is quite impressive and should be commended.

BJS is a really good boxer btw, and was probably boxing at his highest level when he faced Lemieux...so not really getting the slighting angle there.

I would also add that when evaluating a fighter, people have to go with what they see, and not necessarily what the official record shows...many saw GGG beat Nelo twice, and while I thought Nelo beat Lara, it was certainly a close fight...basically saying that some could view the official results for GGG-Nelo as very favorable for Nelo in all of their fights for their careers...so when actually evaluating how 'great' they view a fighter, all of that stuff comes into play.

To that effect, I would say Lemieux is maybe GGG's 4th or 5th best win, not 2nd...that's what I've seen in his fights...I would also say that Canelo has Lara, Jacobs, Trout as good wins...and maybe Cotto (though he was old and at a higher than best weight)...and I would say GGG has Canelo (2) Jacobs, Murray and Lemieux as good wins...and GGG has been more dominant in his good wins for me than Nelo has in his.

Not to mention - that GGG's amateur career is quite a big feather in his cap as well...it would just seem to me that if people were really on the fence about GGG and whether or not he was 'overhyped'...they would look at how accomplished and impressive he was as an amateur to assuage any feeling that he may be 'overhyped'...factoring in his extremely impressive amateur career, it is just hard to see the logic that he is really overly hyped...my opinions.

[Boxing_1013]

Pacquiao is boxing’s catchweight king. Your credit wouldn’t be necessary.

Floyd got credit for 152...

I am not really a Pac fan, so not sure why you mention that.

And same with Floyd...and I give Floyd pretty little credit for that win...I give Floyd credit overall for his career, as I do with Pac, because even when the cards were shifted in their favor, they still showed they were great many times over...the moving up in weight and being great at higher weights is a big feather in the cap for them.

Occasionally that was due to controlling the weight, but not always...Pac at 41 just fought Thurman at 147 with no restrictions...very impressive imo...draining Kov at his age is just not a good look imo...wouldn't make Canelo a bum either though..he has still shown to be a good/great fighter.

But I've never been one to co-sign wins from guys not fighting at their best weights/shot/drained...it's just not what I consider a fair fight and it's hard to give a lot of credit for those fights individually

[Ake-Dawg]

You guys aren't really saying different things here, Ake-Dawg...IBF allowed the exception to fight Vanes on short notice to save the date, with the order that SD must be next...GGG and SD negotiated and couldn't come to terms, as GGG likely wanted to fight Nelo next in rematch/grudge match/big payday.

I don't really get the slighting of GGG in that instance...it is pretty clear from SD's history (and GGG's for that matter) that it is not an over-night thing to negotiate a fight...to think he would have really come in on the May 5th date and fought GGG on a month's notice, and that all of the terms and money could have been worked out by then, is a big stretch imo.

I know after the fact that SD's team said he was ready on that date...but it would seem that was just part of an attempt to force the IBF's hand in stripping GGG...again with SD's history (look at how long it took him to negotiate with his own stablemate Jacobs, and they have basically the same team; he couldn't get a deal done with Canelo; and it took him about a month recently to finally get it done with GGG), I just think it is a big reach to try and slight GGG for that whole situation.

Makes people who get on GGG about stuff seem a little desperate and biased imo



As I've said before, I think when you factor in the manner in which GGG has won his fights, and also the good quality of his opponents, his resume as a pro is very very good...history shows that most greats or ATGs have a slip up when they face 10 solid fighters, GGG has faced about 15 and never had one...I think that is quite impressive and should be commended.

BJS is a really good boxer btw, and was probably boxing at his highest level when he faced Lemieux...so not really getting the slighting angle there.

I would also add that when evaluating a fighter, people have to go with what they see, and not necessarily what the official record shows...many saw GGG beat Nelo twice, and while I thought Nelo beat Lara, it was certainly a close fight...basically saying that some could view the official results for GGG-Nelo as very favorable for Nelo in all of their fights for their careers...so when actually evaluating how 'great' they view a fighter, all of that stuff comes into play.

To that effect, I would say Lemieux is maybe GGG's 4th or 5th best win, not 2nd...that's what I've seen in his fights...I would also say that Canelo has Lara, Jacobs, Trout as good wins...and maybe Cotto (though he was old and at a higher than best weight)...and I would say GGG has Canelo (2) Jacobs, Murray and Lemieux as good wins...and GGG has been more dominant in his good wins for me than Nelo has in his.

Not to mention - that GGG's amateur career is quite a big feather in his cap as well...it would just seem to me that if people were really on the fence about GGG and whether or not he was 'overhyped'...they would look at how accomplished and impressive he was as an amateur to assuage any feeling that he may be 'overhyped'...factoring in his extremely impressive amateur career, it is just hard to see the logic that he is really overly hyped...my opinions.

For the record...ShaneMosley is claiming that GGG fought Vanes then chose Alvarez over Dervy, I pointed out that he chose Vanes over Dervy because he knew he would be stripped if he fought Vanes and not Dervy before a planned Alvarez rematch in September.

Also, GGG has zero wins versus Canelo. Regardless of personal opinion he has a draw and a loss. Accordingly his 2nd or 3rd best win is Lemieux based on your list.

[Thuglife Nelo]

I am not really a Pac fan, so not sure why you mention that.

It has nothing to do with being a “fan.” We’re talking realism and set industry standards. Canelo didn’t invent catchweights as its practice predates his birth.

I’m just saying it’s a waste of time downplaying Canelo vs Kovalev. If it didn’t make sense industry writers would shut it down and all pros in boxing would say the fight is ******. They don’t because every fighter acknowledges negotiations and what it takes to make a fight. Canelo is A side. Go to a pro sparring gym. Guys are sparring at inconsistent work. It’s all part of the game.

[Boxing_1013]

For the record...ShaneMosley is claiming that GGG fought Vanes then chose Alvarez over Dervy, I pointed out that he chose Vanes over Dervy because he knew he would be stripped if he fought Vanes and not Dervy before a planned Alvarez rematch in September.

Also, GGG has zero wins versus Canelo. Regardless of personal opinion he has a draw and a loss. Accordingly his 2nd or 3rd best win is Lemieux based on your list.

Essentially though he did choose Nelo over SD...if he fought SD after Vanes, he wouldn't have been stripped, that is important to note here and I'm not sure if you are aware of that fact, no disrespect, sincerely...and as has been mentioned, I don't think SD would have actually been ready to go on May 5th...I just have no issue with GGG, especially at his age (and at that time having been strung along a bit in his last few fight negotiations) taking a fight on the original date to save the date/his training.

Also worth considering that his last fight before that was Nelo in September...so at his age to possibly be out of the ring for an entire year after negotiating a new fight/terms/date with SD, I just don't really see the logic in hating on GGG for that whole situation...Nelo was the one who popped for PEDs, yet somehow GGG gets more criticism for that whole affair, just a bit wild imo.

Also..when evaluating a fighter's greatness...most of us are going by what we actually see from them rather than what an official record may show...generally the good breaks even out with the bad, and the official record is more or less in line with what most of us see.

But if I (and many others) saw GGG do things like beat Nelo etc...then that would explain why we maybe hold him in higher esteem than others like you perhaps...I try to evaluate every fighter and their career objectively, and when looking at what GGG has done, I think it is very clear that he is great...his opposition imo is overly slighted by people who don't appear to like him, and he has been very dominant against many quality opponents.

My comments about GGG's performances against those like Nelo are just intended to help illustrate why many hold him in high regard...you seemed to insinuate that you were unsure of why many view GGG as a great or ATG fighter...many were impressed with his performances there against Nelo and felt he won, so they would view him highly...they also view his dominance and no slip ups against 15 or so quality fighters impressive (plus better fighters in Jacobs/Murray), in addition to his very impressive and dominant amateur career and accolades.

[Boxing_1013]

It has nothing to do with being a “fan.” We’re talking realism and set industry standards. Canelo didn’t invent catchweights as its practice predates his birth.

I’m just saying it’s a waste of time downplaying Canelo vs Kovalev. If it didn’t make sense industry writers would shut it down and all pros in boxing would say the fight is ******. They don’t because every fighter acknowledges negotiations and what it takes to make a fight. Canelo is A side. Go to a pro sparring gym. Guys are sparring at inconsistent work. It’s all part of the game.

I mean it doesn't bother me man lol...Canelo is the A side and can do whatever he wants, and doing things to maximize your revenue while limiting downside is just smart.

I just think to overly frame fights like this as 'legacy' fights is misguided imo...a real 'legacy' fight would be going to fight Kov in Russia at 175 with no restrictions...that would be legacy imo...or fighting Smith in the UK at 168 with no restrictions...or Beterbiev or another 175 champ with no restrictions.

I don't see the angle of blaming Nelo for facing Kov rather than another 175 guy...Kov is possibly still the best at 175 and is clearly the biggest name...business wise it is smart and definitely smart business wise to drain him if he can...but as far as giving props for a fight, I mean I just can't really do that here...I'm at least consistent across the board with that.

[j.razor]

Man if GGG lost I would not are 1 bit really...I don't think you and many others give him a fair shake but what can ya do...we will just agree to disagree I suppose

We can break it down. Tell me the punches landed with the time clock of each round.

1st Fight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZxwlgUrJBk