Lomachenko: I can't speak English very well...I can't be a superstar

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  • BoxingIsGreat
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    #71
    Originally posted by R_Walken
    That’s only part of the equation

    He’s too small to be a cross over he’s maxed out at 135 and at that size the US public won’t get behind him

    Also the names available to him to fight don’t bring the star power either so John Q Public could care less if they’re the best. I wouldn’t be surprised if Loma never fights The only 2 names that are Available to make a big fight with ( Mikey/Tank ) because of their associations

    Loma seems content with when it’s all said and done he’d have made millions and be regarded as one of the best if not the best in his era , Honestly that’s not a bad position to be in
    Spoken like a real boxing fan. Green K.

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      #72
      And Loma's fanboys shouldn't get angry when people make uncomplimentary posts or threads about him expressing their own counter opinions. That's one way to keep him relevant. If you get angry at everyone who doesn't think he's the finest thing since recorded history, then you create enemies for him.

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      • pasawayako
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        #73
        Originally posted by Ritz Kola
        Pac was getting put to sleep while Floyd was p4p #1
        Floyd answer when ask if he wants to fight pac...

        "My health comes first" - Floyd mayweather...

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        • Sweet Scions
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          #74
          Yeah, no. Megastar status in the U.S. is not purely a matter of speaking the native tongue, an oversized personality, or being conventionally attractive/"hot". All of those factors clearly help, but the reality is actually worse than that - it's mostly just marketing. Push someone aggressively enough on the public, with enough zeal, and power of suggestion will do the rest. Joe Public will hop aboard and rationalize doing so with whatever mental gymnastics necessary. As mentioned Canelo is a sterling example of this. Though capable of passable English, he opts not to use it for whatever reason(s). His personality, while affable enough, is about on par with a box of pop tarts. The novelty of being basically a handsome fair skinned Irish redhead who happens to be Mexican has probably gone a long way to helping things along, but is he widely considered drop-dead Ryan Garcia gorgeous? Nah. Golovkin speaks English like an extra friendly Euro immigrant who is on the spectrum and terrified of yellow Skittles. Looks wise he has that wholesome boy next door thing going on, but again, not someone people generally drool over on Instagram. Pacquiao looks like a ****ing Filipino lawn gnome come to life, with height to match, and English so atrocious it'd arguably have been a better idea to keep it native. You get the idea. All megastars, none of whom hit all the obvious requirements one associates with stardom in the superficial U.S. market, at least one of which is flat out ugly (lol). They were all just marketed aggressively enough to the point where Joe Dumb**** finally stood up and screamed "Pacquiao! YES!!" because that's what idiots people are. They'll eat up what you put in front of them. Loma's problem isn't crappy English, it's lack of a big enough push, something beyond his means and control.

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          • Motofan
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            #75
            It helps but look at guys like Chavez, Canelo, Cotto, Pacman etc. Loma will go down as a great but his age and lack of known rivals is why he won't become a superstar. He's a sure fire hall of famer and no worse than the third best fighter in the world with many having him as the best. Still a phenomenal, all-time talent.

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            • PRINCEKOOL
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              #76
              Originally posted by Blond Beast
              I think Loma is phishing for people to come out and support him. Like he’s sum sort of underdog. Get a bunch of support from non English speakers. I mean how many amazing sound bites do English speaking fighters put out? Or any boxer for that matter. Nobody will be Ali. I’m sure a lot English speaking fans wished Broner spoke another language. Half of boxers say ridiculous things that seem to turn off fans. Everything gets translated, and most loyal boxing fans read their quotes and news. Why act all down and say u will never be a superstar unless you know what ur saying will be polarizing and get publicity? I mean here’s the thread. I can’t believe for an instant he’s trying to admit to being irrelevant and expects to get less attention after this.
              Sometimes it is good to have some mystique about yourself. 'Something that separates you from the public' Lomachenko has this ever so slightly.

              In this day and age I don't think speaking English as your first language is a necessary. I think Lomachenko should just be himself, I don't really think these comments make him look good.

              Muhammad Ali was just being himself, and so was Mike Tyson who at times would engage very little with the press. I always like Miguel Cotto the way he seemed stone faced and unaffected by most things etc

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                #77
                Originally posted by Motorcity Cobra
                - -So u don speak Angloish?

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                • MDPopescu
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                  #78
                  Originally posted by Robbie Barrett
                  Pacquiao couldn't speak English very well when he first started to become a star.
                  Originally posted by 4truth
                  Canelo can't speak English at all, far as I can tell. That hasn't hurt his star status

                  If Loma could put on another 40 pounds though, that might do it.
                  Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL
                  I disagree.

                  There have been plenty of mega star fighters, who have not spoken English during their careers.

                  Miguel Cotto only really started speaking English near the end of his career.
                  Originally posted by Ritz Kola
                  Mex-Americans make up a decent percent of the population. He doesn't need to learn English lol. If he did he'd be massively more popular which translates into more marketable which translates into more money. He's seemingly okay though he's already making a ton of it.

                  Ukraine-Americans are probably 0.01% of our population so Loma doesn't have a large footing here. He'd have to shine through his personality/connections- like other stars or popular networks/and performances. He's only able to do the latter here in America...with great English he'd be 3x bigger.
                  Originally posted by SplitSecond
                  Loma doesn’t have guys with a fanbase around him, that’s the problem. He needs to somehow associate with known guys to promote his name. That Garcia fight would have helped him a lot. Right now his best approach might be ****ting on Canelo everywhere he goes “Canelo is a phagit, i’d be willing to go to 160 and fight him”. The headlines would be “p4p #1 Vasyl Lomachenko calls superstar Canelo a phagit, wants to fight him”.ask for that Pacquiao fight at 140, or Call out media baby Spence. He can only go up though, No one is known down.
                  Originally posted by PotentialToast
                  Loma sold out O2. 14k in one day. Rest over the following days. It was not Campbell. He is a Superstar.
                  Originally posted by dot.c.eh
                  "I am feel. I am very feel"

                  His Cruiser/Heavyweight counterpart became a meme before him even





                  Do they not speak the language at home though? As very proud people I thought they would.
                  Originally posted by andocom
                  Yup, also GGG's "Big drama show".

                  We just need to find Loma a catch phrase/meme and hes good to go.
                  Originally posted by GrandpaBernard
                  Being a small frame super featherweight who hasn’t beat any opponents with a super passionate fanbase yet has more to do with his lacking stardom
                  ... yes... guy is too small for superstardom...

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                  • Motorcity Cobra
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                    #79
                    Originally posted by deanrw
                    I am not arguing with you. I am just stating that making a superstar in boxing is not easy for anyone, regardless if they can speak english or not. I mentioned the 147 pounders myself as they get the most attention these days below heavyweight. My point was even though the 147lb guys are more popular than most, becoming a superstar will be difficult for even them.
                    We're talking strictly about non-english speakers/ESL fighters who became stars. They all were 140 and above.

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                    • tritium_arma
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                      #80
                      It hasn’t hurt Deontat Wilder. Lomas main problem is he’s too small.

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