Terence Crawford: "Watched it again...biased commentary, JEFF HORN BEAT MANNY"

[Divine Hammer]

pac won that fight but was robbed. hometown robbery. pac was catching horn with more telling harder blows. and horn should have been deducted points for all of the dirty fighting he was doing. joke scores.

almost all boxing fans and media knows who won it.

[Scopedog]

I've said this all along. You score that fight round by round like you're supposed to and Horn's win isn't controversial at all. I do think the ref probably let Horn get away with more rough-housing than he probably should have but that's not an issue for the judges. I don't for a second think that Horn is a better fighter than Pacquiao but on that day he did what he needed to do to win.

[Damn Wicked]

I've said this all along. You score that fight round by round like you're supposed to and Horn's win isn't controversial at all. I do think the ref probably let Horn get away with more rough-housing than he probably should have but that's not an issue for the judges. I don't for a second think that Horn is a better fighter than Pacquiao but on that day he did what he needed to do to win.

That's the way I saw it too. Round by round. Both guys took a ton of damage. Manny had a huge 9th round but after he hurt Horn, Manny missed a lot of big haymakers and Horn survived that round to come back strong in the next round. I'm a big Pacquiao fan but Horn won that fight...., maybe with a little help of rough and dirty tactics. Horn's toughness, size and good chin helped him too.

[BoomBapTrap]

That's the way I saw it too. Round by round. Both guys took a ton of damage. Manny had a huge 9th round but after he hurt Horn, Manny missed a lot of big haymakers and Horn survived that round to come back strong in the next round. I'm a big Pacquiao fan but Horn won that fight...., maybe with a little help of rough and dirty tactics. Horn's toughness, size and good chin helped him too.

No, he didn’t.

[Combat Talk Radio]

- Pac landed the more cleaner and damaging punches against Horn

In 5 rounds. Yes.

- You cant give Horn points for using illegal tactics and a large part of his "ring generalship" in the fight is thru the use of headlocks, headbutts, and rabbit punches in order to control Pac

As Paulie said: "what's legal is what the ref lets you get away with". Ultimately, the question boils down to one thing: Who's going backward while not throwing vs a guy that's throwing? Manny was going backward in at least eight rounds.

- 55 boxing writers/fighters + Kobe

...Kobe? Who do we ask next, Ja Rule?

- Pac landed the cleaner shots against Keefe and this is a good example of how important context is, Keith had rd1 in the bag but that KD turned the round into a 8-10 round for him, essentially costing him 3 points, without that clutch KD that fight was essentially a draw, with a very slight edge to Keefe

In one sentence you say Pac landed cleaner. In the second you say it was a slight edge to Thurman. That's illogical - UNLESS your "landed cleaner" doesn't really mean anything.

You know what happened? What happened is, Manny landed cleaner in SIX ROUNDS. Not the whole fight.

Against Horn, Manny landed cleaner in FIVE ROUNDS. Not the whole fight.

That's the problem. People are not looking at these fights round by round so they get skewed off of one or two clear rounds. You guys did it with Wilder/Fury too - one flash knockdown and one clear knockdown when the guy outboxed you for 11 rounds does not win you a fight!

[Unified18]

In 5 rounds. Yes.



As Paulie said: "what's legal is what the ref lets you get away with". Ultimately, the question boils down to one thing: Who's going backward while not throwing vs a guy that's throwing? Manny was going backward in at least eight rounds.


...Kobe? Who do we ask next, Ja Rule?



In one sentence you say Pac landed cleaner. In the second you say it was a slight edge to Thurman. That's illogical - UNLESS your "landed cleaner" doesn't really mean anything.

You know what happened? What happened is, Manny landed cleaner in SIX ROUNDS. Not the whole fight.

Against Horn, Manny landed cleaner in FIVE ROUNDS. Not the whole fight.

That's the problem. People are not looking at these fights round by round so they get skewed off of one or two clear rounds. You guys did it with Wilder/Fury too - one flash knockdown and one clear knockdown when the guy outboxed you for 11 rounds does not win you a fight!

Nope, I find it hard to give Horn 6 round were he landed the cleaner shots to Pac, let alone 7, and the 54 (since you seem to soo upset on having Kobe' opinion in there so lets take him out) boxing writers/fighters opinion that was recorded in the article right after the fight agrees with me, compare to a mere 7 for Horn. The only way I could see anyone giving some of those closer Pac rounds for Horn is if they gave him points for all those illegal tactics de did on Pac and counted it as "ring generalship." The fact the refs allowed such tactics does not mean the judges are entitled to award Horn points for it, this are not boxing moves and the actions (or lack of) of an inexperience ref shouldn't dictate on how an experience judge are suppose to judge the fight. The fact that Horn still wasn't able to land clean legal shots on Pac despite Pac slowing down from all his cheap tactics is on Horn, he was already given an unfair advantage by the ref and he still failed to capitalized on it.BTW, Did you give Salido points for his numerous lowblows on Loma as well? Because I didn't and neither did most boxing fans but those lowblows were able to slow down Loma allowing Salido to hang against him and land some hard, legal punches later in the fight, Salido took advantage of the unfair referee, Horn didn't or couldn't.

Keefe did landed a fair share of his own devastating, clean blows on Pac (which was a seldom for Horn in the Horn vs Pac fight) and you could see it on the bruised faces post fight, the only damage Horn did on Pac was from those nasty headbutts. And true, in the context of the fight there were many rounds that were close, while a few of the rounds that Pac won were clearly his rounds.

[Sustanon]

thanks to the ppl that says Horn won the fight
Now we know how many idiot accts are here in NSB
keep it up

[Combat Talk Radio]

Nope, I find it hard to give Horn 6 round were he landed the cleaner shots to Pac, let alone 7, and the 54 (since you seem to soo upset on having Kobe' opinion in there so lets take him out) boxing writers/fighters opinion that was recorded in the article right after the fight agrees with me, compare to a mere 7 for Horn. The only way I could see anyone giving some of those closer Pac rounds for Horn is if they gave him points for all those illegal tactics de did on Pac and counted it as "ring generalship." The fact the refs allowed such tactics does not mean the judges are entitled to award Horn points for it, this are not boxing moves and the actions (or lack of) of an inexperience ref shouldn't dictate on how an experience judge are suppose to judge the fight. The fact that Horn still wasn't able to land clean legal shots on Pac despite Pac slowing down from all his cheap tactics is on Horn, he was already given an unfair advantage by the ref and he still failed to capitalized on it.BTW, Did you give Salido points for his numerous lowblows on Loma as well? Because I didn't and neither did most boxing fans but those lowblows were able to slow down Loma allowing Salido to hang against him and land some hard, legal punches later in the fight, Salido took advantage of the unfair referee, Horn didn't or couldn't.

Keefe did landed a fair share of his own devastating, clean blows on Pac (which was a seldom for Horn in the Horn vs Pac fight) and you could see it on the bruised faces post fight, the only damage Horn did on Pac was from those nasty headbutts. And true, in the context of the fight there were many rounds that were close, while a few of the rounds that Pac won were clearly his rounds.

Ok, you're either trolling, hypocritical or blind if you say Salido beat Loma but Horn didn't beat Manny when the EXACT SAME STRATEGY was used in both fights. I hope that's not what you're doing, because if so, this conversation is done.

[Unified18]

Ok, you're either trolling, hypocritical or blind if you say Salido beat Loma but Horn didn't beat Manny when the EXACT SAME STRATEGY was used in both fights. I hope that's not what you're doing, because if so, this conversation is done.

Once again you choose to cherry pick what you read instead of reading the entire paragraph. I said Salido landed better (legal) shots against Loma than Horn did against Pac, you could obviously tell that those lowblows bothered Loma which slowed him down and allowed Salido to hang with him, fyi I had Loma vs Salido as a draw and at the state of boxing right now, a draw is as good as a close victory for either fighters. Horn on the other hand wasn't able to take advantage of a worn down Pac (thanks to his repeated fouls) to land some clear, decisive LEGAL punches of his own. Thats the difference.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Once again you choose to cherry pick what you read instead of reading the entire paragraph. I said Salido landed better (legal) shots against Loma than Horn did against Pac, you could obviously tell that those lowblows bothered Loma which slowed him down and allowed Salido to hang with him, fyi I had Loma vs Salido as a draw and at the state of boxing right now, a draw is as good as a close victory for either fighters. Horn on the other hand wasn't able to take advantage of a worn down Pac (thanks to his repeated fouls) to land some clear, decisive LEGAL punches of his own. Thats the difference.

Salido barely landed a clean punch on Loma!

Meanwhile, Horn was flushing Manny in 7 rounds. You're blinded by the so-called "dirty fighting" and are completely ignoring all of the very clean, very unexpected shots Horn was landing especially of pivots.

You seriously need to go back and watch it again. This time, watch a broadcast WITHOUT Teddy Atlas. And pay attention. If you can't see 7 rounds where Horn was flushing Manny, I'm done.