So did Mayweather officially duck Margarito now that it's over?

[Easy-E]

The problem with this argument, as you well know, is that neither Shane or Oscar are going to fight Floyd until early-mid 2007 at best. Oscar wants Floyd in May and Shane is promoted by Oscar.

The time to for Floyd to sign the dotted line for Margarito was yesterday.

But anyway, can we chill with all the Floyd-Marg threads? ****'s getting old.
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Yes, but Floyd WANTS those fights.
Thats not handpicking opponents.

[Guest]

Ahem. Bull****. Margarito has been undefeated at 147 for years, and was routinely avoided by the division's champs (Mayorga, Forrest, Mosley, etc.). He wants the 'shortcut' because that's all he can ****ing get.

BTW, Marg is a big welterweight but he makes weight every time. He belongs at 147 and nowhere else.

See, all you refer to is the champions. There are other contenders out there. Are you telling me the top 15 at welterweight have been ducking him for 15 years? Here are a list of fighters that right now would be good opponents for Margarito that are not champions: Collazo, Judah, Clottey, Paul Williams, Urkal, Quintana, Estrada, Sharmba Mitchell, etc. All of these guys would help solidify his status at 147 because they are all as good or better than anyone he's ever fought. And these guys are all in the same position Margarito is in. They want their shot too and they're not going to duck Margarito if a win over him means they get a big payday against Mayweather or whoever.

But the Margarito strategy is to call out one guy (Mayweather), not even mention the people who call him out, and when he gets turned down for the one big fight he looks all the way to the top 20 welterweights (Lujan, Gomez, Kyvelos) for a fight. That is why this man is a ****ing joke and we can argue this **** until hell freezes over. You know Kyvelos was undefeated at welterweight for years just like Margarito, but that doesn't make him **** because he was feasting on bums. Margarito's recent undefeated streak is against ****ty fighters. It doesn't mean anything. Let him step up to the real contenders at welter, which is the DEEPEST division out there right now, and find out what he's all about.

How are people going to say PBF can't call himself the best until he proves it in the ring against Margarito, yet Margarito himself hasn't proved a damn thing himself...

[psychopath]

I am not sure I understand your logic. It is acceptable to pick up a paper title at 154 against an opponent clearly tailored to your particular skills (and don't say Spinks is a good boxer because I know the relevant thing is that he has no power) but its not alright to unify the welterweight title. Frankly, I agree with you that Margarito is a more dangerous fight but Baldomir's resume at welterweight is more impressive. Baldomir beat the former undisputed champion while the best Margarito has done is beat a #1 contender or a shot ex-title holder. Again if 2 fighters don't get a fight made in their FIRST ATTEMPT it should not be seen as ducking. For instance, I don't think Margarito is ducking Williams just because Williams exclaimed his name to the media.

Well I'll make you understand.

As I said PBF fighting Sphinks would give him another title in the higher weight class. Paper title? Well in the history books the only thing that will be recorded is PBF having titles in 5 different divisions irregardless if he got it from a BUM.
And with a fifth title PBF's market value will vastly improve. So what I'm saying here is fighting Sphinks will be a good investment for PBF. So it's justifiable for him to take that route.

Now PBF against Baldo/ Margarito. We all know that The Margarito offer has long been in the table, it is fact buddy and the Baldomir option was just recent. How come Pbf will chose BALDY?
You know even if PBF will be getting the same amount of money against Baldy as to against Margarito, we cannot ignore the fact that the offer was way way ahead. And for what ever reason, PBF not signing the dotted lines cannot be interpreted as anything else but ducking.

Don't get lost in the HYPE. Let's not talk about skills and resume and all these craps. All these ****s are just excuses. Let's simplify it to the lowest level. Baldo and Margarito are both title holders. AND it is Margarito who wanted to fight PBF first. And PBF declined.

And look, I'm not saying that PBF is afraid point blank, read my earllier post again, it says "ducking at this point". I'm still hoping this fight will happen in the future.

[amagnin]

Well I'll make you understand.

As I said PBF fighting Sphinks would give him another title in the higher weight class. Paper title? Well in the history books the only thing that will be recorded is PBF having titles in 5 different divisions irregardless if he got it from a BUM.
And with a fifth title PBF's market value will vastly improve. So what I'm saying here is fighting Sphinks will be a good investment for PBF. So it's justifiable for him to take that route.

Now PBF against Baldo/ Margarito. We all know that The Margarito offer has long been in the table, it is fact buddy and the Baldomir option was just recent. How come Pbf will chose BALDY?
You know even if PBF will be getting the same amount of money against Baldy as to against Margarito, we cannot ignore the fact that the offer was way way ahead. And for what ever reason, PBF not signing the dotted lines cannot be interpreted as anything else but ducking.

Don't get lost in the HYPE. Let's not talk about skills and resume and all these craps. All these ****s are just excuses. Let's simplify it to the lowest level. Baldo and Margarito are both title holders. AND it is Margarito who wanted to fight PBF first. And PBF declined.

I'm not saying that PBF is afraid or anything else, read my earllier post again, it says "ducking at this point".

I understand your point about Spinks but still am not rationalizing your Margarito/Baldomir argument. Plenty of people criticize Floyd for not winning a real title at 140 or 147, and this will continue until he beats the RECOGNIZED champion of the division. At 147 both Margarito and Baldomir hold titles, but Baldomir is the recognized champ... and that is a fact. By beating Baldomir, he gets the legacy of having been the linear/recognized champ at 147. Plus the fight with Margarito can still be made after. In fact it makes more sense to fight him after to unify all of the titles at 147. What makes no sense is fighting Margarito now. Margarito has been in the welterweight division for years but somehow hasn't fought better competition than Floyd who has been in the division for a year. I rarely will complain about resumes but Margarito really is lacking. He can claim the champs ducked him, but what about all of the contenders that would gladly fight him. Williams called him out similarly to how he called Floyd out... is he ducking Williams. What about fighting former titlist Collazo or a hot prospect like Quintana. It is pretty easy to throw out a deal to the best fighter in the world... what is the worst that could happen? He accepts and you get a payday plus more exposure than ever before. Meanwhile what does Floyd get other than money he already has or can make more of?

[amagnin]

And the contenders I am mentioning are all recent. I can't even think of all of the contenders that have passed through the welterweights during the time Margarito has been a contender/title holder

[charlie31]

See, all you refer to is the champions. There are other contenders out there. Are you telling me the top 15 at welterweight have been ducking him for 15 years? Here are a list of fighters that right now would be good opponents for Margarito that are not champions: Collazo, Judah, Clottey, Paul Williams, Urkal, Quintana, Estrada, Sharmba Mitchell, etc. All of these guys would help solidify his status at 147 because they are all as good or better than anyone he's ever fought. And these guys are all in the same position Margarito is in. They want their shot too and they're not going to duck Margarito if a win over him means they get a big payday against Mayweather or whoever.

But the Margarito strategy is to call out one guy (Mayweather), not even mention the people who call him out, and when he gets turned down for the one big fight he looks all the way to the top 20 welterweights (Lujan, Gomez, Kyvelos) for a fight. That is why this man is a ****ing joke and we can argue this **** until hell freezes over. You know Kyvelos was undefeated at welterweight for years just like Margarito, but that doesn't make him **** because he was feasting on bums. Margarito's recent undefeated streak is against ****ty fighters. It doesn't mean anything. Let him step up to the real contenders at welter, which is the DEEPEST division out there right now, and find out what he's all about.

How are people going to say PBF can't call himself the best until he proves it in the ring against Margarito, yet Margarito himself hasn't proved a damn thing himself...

OK who has Floyd fought in his last 6 fights that are better than Marg?

[charlie31]

And the contenders I am mentioning are all recent. I can't even think of all of the contenders that have passed through the welterweights during the time Margarito has been a contender/title holder

Marg actually called out Mosley before and Mosley said he would need a couple more fights before fighting Marg.

[charlie31]

The whole point of it all is that PBF has already established himself by beating some great fighters. ****, he had 2 very tough fights with Jose Luis Castillo. Now, PBF is trying to make fights that add to his bank account and legacy. Beating Mosley and DLH would be HUGE. If PBF tears up DLH, he will probably become the biggest attraction in all of boxing and great paydays come with both of those fights. Even beating Baldomir does something for PBF's legacy because it makes him the undisputed champion at 147...

Margarito is trying to take the short cut to stardom. He wants to take a shot against the best P4P fighter in the sport because Margarito has a huge size advantage, which gives him a great shot at winning compared to fighting good fighters his own size. Margarito doesn't want to earn his way to the top by fighting all of the other contenders and clearing out 147. He's had YEARS to fight a meaningful fight and he hasn't stepped up. If Margarito was just the WBO titleholder but had beaten most of the top 10 fighters at 147, Floyd stands to actually gain something from the fight. Beating Margarito would definetely make him the man. But because Margarito hasn't done jack ****, Floyd has absolutely nothing to gain. He beats Margarito and then everyone claims Margarito hadn't beaten anybody...

Margarito needs to bring to the table what Floyd is bringing to the table, a resume and a reputation. I can think of many reasons why Floyd shouldn't bother with Margarito at this point in time. I can only think of one reason for Floyd to fight him ($$$$). I don't even think 8 million is enough for that much risk when you won't get anything else in return as far as legacy is concerned...

OMG what "GREAT" fighters did he beat????

dumb.

seriously folks

[amagnin]

OMG what "GREAT" fighters did he beat????

dumb.

seriously folks

GREAT fighters... gee I don't know Genaro Hernandez (probable HOF); Jose Luis Castillo; and Diego Corrales. The fact that he doesn't have that many should indicate to you that there aren't that many great fighters in any era so you can't beat that many of them. If he beats Hatton and Cotto which he can and will if they ever fight him... that could be two more names. Now back to the point at hand. Margarito has been the welterweight champion for 6 defenses and who has he beaten? I would definitely rate Zab Judah (even with all of his flaws) higher than any of Margarito's "big" wins.

[amagnin]

Marg actually called out Mosley before and Mosley said he would need a couple more fights before fighting Marg.

So now we see a pattern of Margarito calling out fighters with resumes that are far superior to his and being rejected. What does this tell you that he is dangerous or unworthy? I would guess the latter because Shane has never ducked anybody including actually dangerous contenders like Winky and Forrest.