So did Mayweather officially duck Margarito now that it's over?

[amagnin]

i hope he does but i seriously doubt it

If it doesn't happen it will be because Margarito loses the belt to a guy he was supposed to beat.

[El Jesus]

That's a very good post.

I definetly agree with the bolded part. Mayweather is probably the biggest star in boxing other then Gatti and DLH and formerly, Tyson. I suspect Mayweather may be building himself up to be the new Sugar Ray Leonard. Good looking guy, somewhat 'respectful', treats the media great, and in turn the media respects him back. Which is really what the media is doing now.

You are somewhat right about comparing FOrrest/Wright to Margarito. Only difference is Wright targeted Tito and Mosley who were shadow's of their former selves, they brought on bags load of cash for him (at the time), and it was a good deal. Which big star can Margarito really call out at welterweight. Arum won't feed Cotto to him because Cotto is becoming a big star and Cotto hasn't looked very good lately. Who else is established? No one.

Arum is smart. He knows his only chance to make money is for a huge fight with Mayweather. That's why he's matching Margarito up really soft. He doesn't wnat Margarito looking like a weak link when and if they try to negotiate later in the year.

You should look at Ouma now: nobody gives a **** about him because he was soundly beaten by a non-elite fighter in Karmazin. Maybe Margarito would be in the same spot if he'd take on everything 147 has to offer below the elite level. I'm all for finding out how good this guy actually is before insisting that any star fight him. But it makes no sense from a business standpoint from Margarito to fight Floyd when he is seen as the big guy here.

Now it's obvious with Floyd that he want's Oscar. Oscar is irresistible to PBF for four reasons:

1. Gigantic money (But not all that much more than he would get for Margarito because Oscar takes the lion's share when he fights, and PB simply will not get 50% againt Oscar).

2. It is his daddy's fighter (even if he decides not to work the corner. But knowing the history of those socially ***********al clowns I can expect Floyd Sr. to get riled up by some comment of his son's during the foreplay and decide to help Oscar beat the tar out of the boy after all).

3. Arum badly wants the Margarito fight. PB wants to punish the *** though.

4. Easy fight, easy victory. Oscar won't **** you all up like Margie and bruise you everywhere so that you are sore for days afterward even in victory. Against old Oscar you just coast and cruise to a victory, outbox him, put on some combinations. He doesn't have the legs to pursue. He can't steal any rounds against you either. If their is any round stealing it the last thirty seconds, you will be the one to do it, possessing all the tools for the job, flash, speed, cleverness, not much power but plenty of surprise in the punches.

Margie is vigorously calling out the supposed-to-be king of the hill. Pretty boy is calling out a creampuff. That is enough for me right there.

There isnt much I have to say about this post, I dont disagree with alot of what your saying, so there isnt much for me to reply to. So im not sure what you want me to reply to in particular.

[GunStar]

Any person believes that Floyd is ducking Margerito, is an idiot!

38 and counting

[amagnin]

Fighting Sphinks with less money is still justifiable because fighting Sphinks would give PBF a chance to have a title in yet another weight class. It's a fight with less money but higher stature.

PBF fighting Baldomir with less money instead of Margarito can never be seen as another thing other than Pbf DUCKING Margarito at this point.

The Margarito offer has long been on the table since 2 or 3 months ago. If PBF is not ducking Margarito he could have opted to fight Margarito first, take the $8 million home then make the decission whether to fight Sphinks or Baldomir early next year. After all, he was saying that Margarito is just an easy work.

I am not sure I understand your logic. It is acceptable to pick up a paper title at 154 against an opponent clearly tailored to your particular skills (and don't say Spinks is a good boxer because I know the relevant thing is that he has no power) but its not alright to unify the welterweight title. Frankly, I agree with you that Margarito is a more dangerous fight but Baldomir's resume at welterweight is more impressive. Baldomir beat the former undisputed champion while the best Margarito has done is beat a #1 contender or a shot ex-title holder. Again if 2 fighters don't get a fight made in their FIRST ATTEMPT it should not be seen as ducking. For instance, I don't think Margarito is ducking Williams just because Williams exclaimed his name to the media.

[Guest]

I have actually made a similar post to this several times but people who hate Floyd refuse to acknowledge this. It is a no-win situation for Floyd and a win-win situation for Margarito... of course he wants the fight

The whole point of it all is that PBF has already established himself by beating some great fighters. ****, he had 2 very tough fights with Jose Luis Castillo. Now, PBF is trying to make fights that add to his bank account and legacy. Beating Mosley and DLH would be HUGE. If PBF tears up DLH, he will probably become the biggest attraction in all of boxing and great paydays come with both of those fights. Even beating Baldomir does something for PBF's legacy because it makes him the undisputed champion at 147...

Margarito is trying to take the short cut to stardom. He wants to take a shot against the best P4P fighter in the sport because Margarito has a huge size advantage, which gives him a great shot at winning compared to fighting good fighters his own size. Margarito doesn't want to earn his way to the top by fighting all of the other contenders and clearing out 147. He's had YEARS to fight a meaningful fight and he hasn't stepped up. If Margarito was just the WBO titleholder but had beaten most of the top 10 fighters at 147, Floyd stands to actually gain something from the fight. Beating Margarito would definetely make him the man. But because Margarito hasn't done jack ****, Floyd has absolutely nothing to gain. He beats Margarito and then everyone claims Margarito hadn't beaten anybody...

Margarito needs to bring to the table what Floyd is bringing to the table, a resume and a reputation. I can think of many reasons why Floyd shouldn't bother with Margarito at this point in time. I can only think of one reason for Floyd to fight him ($$$$). I don't even think 8 million is enough for that much risk when you won't get anything else in return as far as legacy is concerned...

[Super_Lightweight]

He also said he thinks Floyd is handpicking opponents, which i totally disagree with.
Hes calling out two bigger stronger guys.
He will get more money for both those fights.
Both those fighters are all time greats.
Both those fighters have far superior boxing skills then Tony.

The problem with this argument, as you well know, is that neither Shane or Oscar are going to fight Floyd until early-mid 2007 at best. Oscar wants Floyd in May and Shane is promoted by Oscar.

The time to for Floyd to sign the dotted line for Margarito was yesterday.

But anyway, can we chill with all the Floyd-Marg threads? ****'s getting old.
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[Super_Lightweight]

Margarito doesn't want to earn his way to the top by fighting all of the other contenders and clearing out 147. He's had YEARS to fight a meaningful fight and he hasn't stepped up.

Ahem. Bull****. Margarito has been undefeated at 147 for years, and was routinely avoided by the division's champs (Mayorga, Forrest, Mosley, etc.). He wants the 'shortcut' because that's all he can ****ing get.

BTW, Marg is a big welterweight but he makes weight every time. He belongs at 147 and nowhere else.

[insaneboxingfan]

Baldy Is Going To Break Both Their Faces!!!! Baldy Is The Truth!!!!!!

[amagnin]

The whole point of it all is that PBF has already established himself by beating some great fighters. ****, he had 2 very tough fights with Jose Luis Castillo. Now, PBF is trying to make fights that add to his bank account and legacy. Beating Mosley and DLH would be HUGE. If PBF tears up DLH, he will probably become the biggest attraction in all of boxing and great paydays come with both of those fights. Even beating Baldomir does something for PBF's legacy because it makes him the undisputed champion at 147...

Margarito is trying to take the short cut to stardom. He wants to take a shot against the best P4P fighter in the sport because Margarito has a huge size advantage, which gives him a great shot at winning compared to fighting good fighters his own size. Margarito doesn't want to earn his way to the top by fighting all of the other contenders and clearing out 147. He's had YEARS to fight a meaningful fight and he hasn't stepped up. If Margarito was just the WBO titleholder but had beaten most of the top 10 fighters at 147, Floyd stands to actually gain something from the fight. Beating Margarito would definetely make him the man. But because Margarito hasn't done jack ****, Floyd has absolutely nothing to gain. He beats Margarito and then everyone claims Margarito hadn't beaten anybody...

Margarito needs to bring to the table what Floyd is bringing to the table, a resume and a reputation. I can think of many reasons why Floyd shouldn't bother with Margarito at this point in time. I can only think of one reason for Floyd to fight him ($$$$). I don't even think 8 million is enough for that much risk when you won't get anything else in return as far as legacy is concerned...

A couple of things... firstly the DLH fight is a legacy fight. Some want to downplay this as a young fighter beating an over the hill champion. Even if this is true...it is totally acceptable. DLH beat a clearly over the hill Julio Cesar Chavez and that was part of what gave him the popularity he has today. It is sort of like a right of passage. Similarly Lennox Lewis wasn't considered the real champ until he beat a shot Mike Tyson. And your points about Margarito are right on. The man has been at welterweight for most of his career yet he has less big names on his resume at welterweight than Floyd does and Floyd has only been there for one year. Yes Margarito is a dangerous fighter and not a bum by any means. But sometimes it takes more than being good to get the best to fight you. Margarito should learn something from Winky Wright if he wants to be successful. Beat everybody else and the elite fighters won't have any excuses. Margarito could have already started this process but instead has decided to cry about how nobody will fight him. Boo hoo.

[Easy-E]

Ahem. Bull****. Margarito has been undefeated at 147 for years, and was routinely avoided by the division's champs (Mayorga, Forrest, Mosley, etc.). He wants the 'shortcut' because that's all he can ****ing get.

BTW, Marg is a big welterweight but he makes weight every time. He belongs at 147 and nowhere else.

And its amazing that during all that time, he never managed to fight a legit opponent.