Originally posted by K-DOGG
Cotto's team intereted in fighting Baldo
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Determination can only get you so far. Plenty of determined boxers out there who suck. Not saying Baldomir sucks cause hes obviously a good fighter, but I just dont think he is on the same level as Cotto. And im sure Cotto will be determined too. -
Originally posted by Souza2012Determination can only get you so far. Plenty of determined boxers out there who suck. Not saying Baldomir sucks cause hes obviously a good fighter, but I just dont think he is on the same level as Cotto. And im sure Cotto will be determined too.
Well, either way, let's hope we can find out. I do think style-wise those two match up rather nicely. It will be an exciting fight, no doubt in my mind about that.Comment
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Originally posted by K-DOGGBy boy versus man, I am speaking of experience....and neither N'dou nor Abduallaev have what I perceive as the raw determination that Baldomir possess. No, Baldomir does not have a "wrecking ball right hand"; but it's crisp and accurate and he's undetered by incoming. That's why I see him winning; he has a better chance of stunning and rattling Cotto than Cotto has of rattling him. He might hurt him, yes; and 147 is closer to a natural weight for Cotto; but if he's stunned by 140 Lb punchers, then even the average punching Baldomir at 147 has a good shot of wobbling him. To me, it's about mental maturity. Baldomir's been there, done that and wasn't intimidated by either big even, facing Judah and Gatti in front of their hometown crowds. He's impervious to pressure...and provides a steady stream of pressure himself. Also, he has shown that if your get off a good combination on him, he is more than willing to jump right back on top of you and take the momentum back.
Cotto, I'm saying, would go through a trial of "manhood" in this sort of fight. He would either graduate to the next level, or be pushed down the ladder. Right now, it's up for grabs what would happen. Personally, I'd favour Baldomir to turn the trick a third time against a name opponent. He's been waiting a Loooong time for this; and I don't see him giving it up easily. Cotto and he, I believe, would produce a war of the highest calibre...as he would with Hatton, though not quite as explosive, due to styles.
Cotto hasn't really been tested....this would be THE test. Call it a hunch, I've just got a feeling about Carlos. He's not great; but he's hungry...he wants what he's been denied for all these years....to show the whole world how good he is. A motivated man is a dangerous man.
Carlos Baldomir seems to be a tough pug who can get to you by relentlessly walking you down and hitting you over punches you throw. Well at least this was the case with the Gatti fight. Gatti doesn't have and never had the power and boxing ability Cotto has.
I hadn't ever really seen much of Baldomir before his last 3 fights. If you know more about him than I do then I will undoubtedly defer to what you say, but I feel like these last 2 fights in particular have made him look better than he is.
Cotto has been in bad shape in two fights. We all know what happened in the Corley fight...that needs no more discussion. The Torres fight saw him step in against a COMPLETE UNKNOWN who had an aesthetically pleasing record against more unknowns in his own country. It just so happened that Torres turned out to a pretty damned dynamic puncher with good handspeed.
I'm not sold on this being a huge step up fight for Cotto. He has been in with just about every type of fighter you can be in with. Experienced vets, good punchers, slick boxers, tough as nails agressors. It would certainly be a tough fight as Baldomir appears to be a strong willed fighter, but I just cannot think that highly of him yet.
I have followed Cotto's career for quite some time now. I liked what I saw when he was a young kid and making 140 wasn't affecting him. He was a VERY fluid boxer/puncher with all of the neccessary skills to be an elite fighter. I feel like he will look like a monster again when he moves to 147. He has had rocky moments in the past couple of years, but he has ALWAYS stepped up his game in the face of adversity and he has shown a huge heart. I feel like in many ways he IS ready and he HAS been tested in just about every way possible (besides facing A level fighters like Mayweather and such). If he were some guys who hadn't fought a top 10 fighter yet and hadn't ever had to face adversity after being hurt bad by a punch I think we could call him very untested...I just don't think that's the case.
Well at least we can both agree on the fact that it'd be an exciting fight because both guys bring pleasing styles to the table.Comment
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Originally posted by K-DOGGWell, either way, let's hope we can find out. I do think style-wise those two match up rather nicely. It will be an exciting fight, no doubt in my mind about that.
Yea style wise this could turn out to be a great fight. This is the biggest fight i wanna see right now.Comment
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You've seen as much of Baldomir as I; and more of Cotto, apparently. So, we'll just have to agree to disagree on our prognoses of this fight until we see. I just hope we do see and soon.Originally posted by oldgringoCarlos Baldomir seems to be a tough pug who can get to you by relentlessly walking you down and hitting you over punches you throw. Well at least this was the case with the Gatti fight. Gatti doesn't have and never had the power and boxing ability Cotto has.
I hadn't ever really seen much of Baldomir before his last 3 fights. If you know more about him than I do then I will undoubtedly defer to what you say, but I feel like these last 2 fights in particular have made him look better than he is.
Cotto has been in bad shape in two fights. We all know what happened in the Corley fight...that needs no more discussion. The Torres fight saw him step in against a COMPLETE UNKNOWN who had an aesthetically pleasing record against more unknowns in his own country. It just so happened that Torres turned out to a pretty damned dynamic puncher with good handspeed.
I'm not sold on this being a huge step up fight for Cotto. He has been in with just about every type of fighter you can be in with. Experienced vets, good punchers, slick boxers, tough as nails agressors. It would certainly be a tough fight as Baldomir appears to be a strong willed fighter, but I just cannot think that highly of him yet.
I have followed Cotto's career for quite some time now. I liked what I saw when he was a young kid and making 140 wasn't affecting him. He was a VERY fluid boxer/puncher with all of the neccessary skills to be an elite fighter. I feel like he will look like a monster again when he moves to 147. He has had rocky moments in the past couple of years, but he has ALWAYS stepped up his game in the face of adversity and he has shown a huge heart. I feel like in many ways he IS ready and he HAS been tested in just about every way possible (besides facing A level fighters like Mayweather and such). If he were some guys who hadn't fought a top 10 fighter yet and hadn't ever had to face adversity after being hurt bad by a punch I think we could call him very untested...I just don't think that's the case.
Well at least we can both agree on the fact that it'd be an exciting fight because both guys bring pleasing styles to the table.Comment
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With Hatton running back to 140 and Floyd not knowing who he wants to fight next...we may see this fight. But there will need to be a lot of convincing of the Baldi people..they're hot for a BIG fight. And at this point in Cotto's career, he just doesn't bring that to the table.Originally posted by Souza2012Yea style wise this could turn out to be a great fight. This is the biggest fight i wanna see right now.Comment
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How is his power equal to Torres?Originally posted by dinobalomir can beat cotto..his power is probably about equal to torress..but he's stronger and has a granite chin..baldomir by late round KO
They both started their careers against bums in South America.
Baldomir didnt score a KO until around his 20th fight against complete bums. He is 43-9-6 (13 KO's)
Torres has around 11 first round KO's in 30 fights. He is 29-1 (27 KO's). Mostly against bums, but 90% of Baldomirs fights were against bums too.
Baldomir KO'd Gatti, big deal. Gatti has been floored and KO'd by a bunch of people at even lower weight classes, and it still took 9 rounds of wearing him down with hard shot after shot to do it. Not saying Baldomir isnt a good fighter cause he is and he has really impressed me lately. But I dont think he hits harder than Torres at all. Plus is shots are slower and not as sharp as Torres' either.Comment
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I thought I throw in some interesting facts and not opinions about Miguel. If you want to see Baldi's go do the research and paste them. NO I didn't do the research my boy did, I checked most of it and its pretty accurate tho.
27-0 (22KOs)
- 81.4% KO Ratio
(Hard time with info on earlier fights, but atleast 2/5 opponents not KOed were atleast dropped once during the fights)
Victories over Ex Champions: 3
- Randall Bailey (28-4) Former WBO & WBA Jr. Welterweight Champion
- Demarcus Corley (29-3-1) Former WBO Jr. Welterweight Champion
- Cesar Bazan (39-5-1) Former WBC Lightweight Champion [Cotto's 14'th pro fight]
Victories over Undefeated Fighters: 4
- Paul Malignaggi (21-0)
- Ricardo Torres (28-0)
- Kelson Pinto (21-0)
- Carlos Maussa (17-0)
Victories over Olympic Medalist: 1
- Abdullaev (15-1)
Number of Title Fights: 7
Combined Records of Cotto's Opponents in Title Fights: 178-9-2
- That is a winning percentage of 95%
For a fighter who's been highly critizised for his level of opposition, chin, stamina, whatever... These facts aren't so bad are they? Overall, I give him a damn good chance against Baldi.Comment
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