List slick boxers dominating brawlers/pressure fighters?

[Rusty Tromboni]

... I also guess that you hold "slapping" Joe Calzaghe as the "slickest fighter ever", right?

Yeah. You're just looking for a way out.

Nothing I wrote insinuates that in the least.


Please, explain to me how Ali's rope-a-dope against Foreman and Spinks was slick in the vein of Locche-Fuji/Cervantes, or Fury-Klitchko, or Leonard-Hagler.... does it look like anything you saw in those fights, or any others mentioned in this thread?

Am I being unfair?

[Rusty Tromboni]

Mayweather mounted an offence against Castillo that's the difference.

Pastrano had no offense against Johnson and lost the vast majority of the rounds.

We will have to agree to disagree.

In the latter half of the rematch. It was enough in the eyes of most to say Mayweather had finally proven himself the better man. But for about 18 rounds he was out-hustled and out-muscled by Castillo. Maidana also had him trapped on the ropes. Again, in the 50's, Oscar would have gotten the nod, and the Alvarez fight wouldhave been pretty close. Not fighting was, generally, not an option.

Johnson did not want to make mistakes, so he didn't take risks. It made for an ugly fight, and it cost him his title. He was at a loss to defuse Pastrano's footwork. He certainly did NOT cut-off the ring, and he didn't land any meaningful number of telling blows. I actually remember Pastrano unloading fireworks in the few instances when Johnson got too close

I'll never rank Pastrano over Johnson. I'll always say Johnson should have gotten an immediate rematch. But just because you don't like how a fight plays out doesn't mean you can lie about what happened.

[IronDanHamza]

In the latter half of the rematch. It was enough in the eyes of most to say Mayweather had finally proven himself the better man. But for about 18 rounds he was out-hustled and out-muscled by Castillo. Maidana also had him trapped on the ropes. Again, in the 50's, Oscar would have gotten the nod, and the Alvarez fight wouldhave been pretty close. Not fighting was, generally, not an option.

Johnson did not want to make mistakes, so he didn't take risks. It made for an ugly fight, and it cost him his title. He was at a loss to defuse Pastrano's footwork. He certainly did NOT cut-off the ring, and he didn't land any meaningful number of telling blows. I actually remember Pastrano unloading fireworks in the few instances when Johnson got too close

I'll never rank Pastrano over Johnson. I'll always say Johnson should have gotten an immediate rematch. But just because you don't like how a fight plays out doesn't mean you can lie about what happened.

Nah. That's just totally false.

Mayweather did more than enough to earn close decisions over Castillo and Maidana.

Pastrano did NOTHING against Johnson.

Johnson didn't land his usual crisp clean punches as Pastrano was litetally running away for 15 rounds but he certainly outlanded him by a wide stretch.

Polar opposites to those examples and easily one of the biggest robberies in the history of the sport.