List slick boxers dominating brawlers/pressure fighters?

[Phillyy215]

Fury against Wilder

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[Thuglife Nelo]

Lara vs Canelo


Oh boy I’m gonna get lynched lol

Lara isn’t slick. Slick fighter is able to stay in pocket range and evading multiple offensive assaults while having the ability to counter attack, reset, all while still staying in the pocket.

Ali vs Foreman, rope’a’dope

[Thuglife Nelo]

PBF vs DLH and Cotto, rope’a’dope

[Rusty Tromboni]

My link shows you how I scored the fight dummy. Which you asked for, didn't you?

What are you implying? That Castillo and Maidana vs Mayweather were robberies? Because they weren't.

Johnson-Pastrano was a clear robbery. Johnson won the fight CLEARLY. If you don't know that then you have no idea what you are watching.

And you actually used it as an example of where a fighter "dominated" the other Hilarious.

You usually say intelligent things and contribute meaningful posts. So I am going to give you a pass. I really feel the majority of people show up here just to get attention or meet other dudes. It's definitely not to have meaningful discussions about Boxing. Since I consider you different from them, I am not really going to grill you on this matter.

But you should realize that the same argument you're making for Johnson over Pastrano is made (and better supported) against Mayweather. He literally, found himself against the ropes round after round.
If you want to argue he had a more deft execution of defensive Boxing, and his skills are more nuanced, OK. But you're not applying the interpretation of the rules/scoring rounds fairly based on a ridiculous bias. You've sabotaged your argument, and discredited yourself.

I don't really like lists. (Probably because I am not knowledgable enough to make good ones). But if I did have a top 20 Light Heavyweights, Johnson would be in the better half. No way he's not top 10. I dunno if Pastrano would make the cut. I just don't see it. I even think Johnson is one of the most underrated Boxers IN BOXING HISTORY. But I can still score a fight objectively, and recognize a turning point in Boxing history.

[Rusty Tromboni]

... I don't understand what Rusty Tromboni is actually saying, tbh... ... is he saying that "rope-a-dope" wasn't slick?... then what was it???...

It was creative. It was effective. But how well did it work against Spinks?

If that qualifies as "slick" for you, OK. I am not going to argue w/ you about the definition of the word. But everyone else is going to think slick and point to Whiatker-Ramirez, Robinson-Maxim, Mayweather-Castillo, Fury vs. Everyone, Leonard vs. Hagler. Benitez vs. Everyone, Locche Highlights.

That's "slick". At least in the traditional sense.

Yes, or no, Ali was still taking a heavy-bombarment against the ropes?

I think you can argue that a guy like LaMotta, was even better at getting himself backed up to slip punches. Probably Williams and Burley fought similarly.
Moore would be another fighter who wasn't as mobile as Ali, but who could evade punches by staying in place... not leaning against the excessivley lose ropes to avoid headshots from a fighter not known for his pacing, punch selection, and accuracy.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Rustology -
Ali is anti slick
Frazier defines slickness

LOL, says the guy who can hear the same thing 5 times, 5 different ways, and still not get the point.

You're just mad because as long as I'm around, you can't run into a thread and say "Mayweather by KO in 5!"

It's like the old MMA forums in the 90's: guys would always say "Rickson by armbar!" In threads that didn't even concern Rickson Gracie. Didn't matter that everyone else would troll them, they were persistent. Probably guys paid by the Gracies. Anyway, when you called them out, they'd trash every other fighter. It was the 90's s even the best guys still had a lot wrong with them, it was like shooting fish in a barrel. But it was unproductive. That's how mayweather fans are today.

Do you really think Holmes gets shoved into a corner by Frazier? How about Lewis? How about Tyson or Holyfield? How about the brothers Klitchko? Fury?
The point is, Ali didn't out-slick Frazier ever. That's not how the fight played out. If you think otherwise you either haven't seen the fight; or you should schedule a vasectomy, as you should not contribute to the human gene pool.

[Rusty Tromboni]

I don't come on here to hurt peoples' feelings.

Growing up I was pretty competitive in sports and had older brothers. So I was a real dyck to other kids. But in the decades since then, I have taught, coached, had my own kids, volunteered for a charity. I feel sympathetic to people that "don't get it". Probably the internet, which takes away the human element, makes me seem meaner. But people say dumb things here thinking they can get away with it. Because they're sensitive their comments, no matter how moronic, have to be accepted as true.

Sorry, that's wrong. Blame your parents for letting you watch too many Disney Princess movies.

[MDPopescu]

... I don't understand what Rusty Tromboni is actually saying, tbh... ... is he saying that "rope-a-dope" wasn't slick?... then what was it???...

It was creative. It was effective. But how well did it work against Spinks?

If that qualifies as "slick" for you, OK. I am not going to argue w/ you about the definition of the word. But everyone else is going to think slick and point to Whiatker-Ramirez, Robinson-Maxim, Mayweather-Castillo, Fury vs. Everyone, Leonard vs. Hagler. Benitez vs. Everyone, Locche Highlights.

That's "slick". At least in the traditional sense.

Yes, or no, Ali was still taking a heavy-bombarment against the ropes?

I think you can argue that a guy like LaMotta, was even better at getting himself backed up to slip punches. Probably Williams and Burley fought similarly.
Moore would be another fighter who wasn't as mobile as Ali, but who could evade punches by staying in place... not leaning against the excessivley lose ropes to avoid headshots from a fighter not known for his pacing, punch selection, and accuracy.

... I also guess that you hold "slapping" Joe Calzaghe as the "slickest fighter ever", right?

[Scopedog]

Alright ladies, no need to derail the thread.

Best example I can think of is Floyd v Hatton - while Hatton made things somewhat rough early on Floyd gradually took complete control and ended up making Hatton look poor.

Maybe not a "domination" owing to the fact that the decision was ultimately close and some consider it somewhat controversial, but Chris Algieri surviving two hard knockdowns early on to thoroughly outbox Ruslan Provodnikov and take an upset decision victory is maybe the best example I can think of. Provodnikov is the toughest fighter I've ever seen and hit like a mule but he could just not handle anyone with a jab and even a bit of footwork if they wanted to box him. You can basically go down his entire L column and come away with examples for this thread.

[IronDanHamza]

You usually say intelligent things and contribute meaningful posts. So I am going to give you a pass. I really feel the majority of people show up here just to get attention or meet other dudes. It's definitely not to have meaningful discussions about Boxing. Since I consider you different from them, I am not really going to grill you on this matter.

But you should realize that the same argument you're making for Johnson over Pastrano is made (and better supported) against Mayweather. He literally, found himself against the ropes round after round.
If you want to argue he had a more deft execution of defensive Boxing, and his skills are more nuanced, OK. But you're not applying the interpretation of the rules/scoring rounds fairly based on a ridiculous bias. You've sabotaged your argument, and discredited yourself.

I don't really like lists. (Probably because I am not knowledgable enough to make good ones). But if I did have a top 20 Light Heavyweights, Johnson would be in the better half. No way he's not top 10. I dunno if Pastrano would make the cut. I just don't see it. I even think Johnson is one of the most underrated Boxers IN BOXING HISTORY. But I can still score a fight objectively, and recognize a turning point in Boxing history.

Mayweather mounted an offence against Castillo that's the difference.

Pastrano had no offense against Johnson and lost the vast majority of the rounds.

We will have to agree to disagree.