Comments Thread For: Golovkin-Derevyanchenko Formally Ordered By The IBF

[Boxing_1013]

So you choose to ignore articles quoting Dibella and Connolly saying that Dervy was ready and willing to fight on May 5th for the opponent money that was already on the table? That's not opinion....that's fact!

Yes I choose to take what promoters and managers say with a grain of salt...whether it is Loeffler, Hearn, De la Hoya, Arum etc...they are all full of sh.it and occasionally they tell the truth...their job is not to tell the truth...it is to do everything in their power to prop their guy up, and very often that involves lying or half-truths.

If SD himself came out and said he would have fought on May 5th I would give it a little more credence...though tbh I think he would have fought on that date...that's what fighters do and he seems like kind of a throwback/fight anyone on short notice type of guy...a lot of fighters are like that to be fair.

But if the IBF hypothetically mandated SD-GGG I feel pretty confident SD's team would have been vigilant in making sure he got a full camp and max money...which would have meant a delay in the fight.

Let me ask you this - if it would have been so easy to make a deal with him in 1 month...why was Canelo not able to get a deal done with him?...why did it take him and Jacobs over a month, right up until the deadline for a purse bid, to finally get a deal done, when they have the same team basically?...and why is the GGG-SD fight not already done and over with as far as negotiations go?

It took SD a month just to negotiate terms with Danny - and that was presumably an easy fight to make! - how can anyone really say he would have been able to negotiate terms with GGG and fight him within that same one month timeframe

His team is just very pushy on negotiations...no problem with that, they have that right...with that in mind I don't think they would have allowed the fight on May 5th if the IBF mandated that fight...I think the IBF did what they could to make everyone happy in that situation...they allowed GGG a late replacement, didn't force SD in on short notice, didn't force GGG to delay his camp/fight...and said he had to face SD next...still think it was harsh to strip GGG when those circumstances were not really his fault, but it is what it is.

It took SD 1 month after GGG got stripped to negotiate with Danny and they have the same team! lol...and I'm sure they were talking before GGG officially got stripped since that was always the fight that was gonna happen if GGG got stripped.

"The promoters for middleweight contenders Sergiy Derevyanchenko and Daniel Jacobs went down to the wire on Tuesday but made a deal for them to meet for a vacant world title.

Lou DiBella, who promotes Derevyanchenko, and Eddie Hearn of Matchroom Boxing, which promotes Jacobs, had a difficult and intense negotiation, but the frenemies were able to work out the deal minutes before the scheduled 12 p.m. ET purse bid at the IBF offices in Springfield, New Jersey."

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/24060354/sergiy-derevyanchenko-meet-daniel-jacobs-vacant-middleweight-title

[Boxing_1013]

FACT: if you think that Bika, Barrera, and Miranda..... are as good as Andre Ward..... then this is definitely NOT the sport for you

jog on

If Bika Barrera or Chilemba or Miranda were from the US and got promoted well...yeah they would have had a very similar career to Andre imo...and if Andre was from South Africa I don't think anyone would even know who he was...just my opinion from watching all those guys fight.

Guys from the US UK Mexico just get the most hype...that's where all the fans are...a lot of that hype is justified often times...sometimes guys are a little overhyped from those countries, sometimes really overhyped...sometimes the hype is real/guys are undervalued (Spence, Crawford, Wilder, Gervonta all come to mind currently/previously as undervalued in a way imo...all different skillsets and at different points in their careers).

And Eastern Euros too, to some extent fall into that category...though most of the ones that come from that area seem to more or less be the genuine article...the very good ones all seem to have really good amateur success which is always a pretty good indicator that a guy will at least be decent as a pro.

The ones who aren't as good get proven out over there in some way before they come over here...the ones who get really hyped up seem to more or less back that up...Loma, Kov, Beterbiev, GGG, Gyovdyk, Klitschos all come to mind.

Can't remember one from over there who really got hyped up who wasn't really good/didn't mostly live up to the hype...and don't even try to say GGG lol

But yeah with Ward, I just never saw any real elite skills from him at the top level...with all his fights against B level guys or above...I think I saw a couple rounds total in those fights (a couple rounds in the Froch fight, that's it really) where I came away from the round saying 'man what a great clear round for Andre'. (Edit - Kessler fight I thought Andre was clearly ahead as well iirc...but that fight was a whole different type of mess)

He did really well at mucking up rounds and making them close and hard to score...but he also tended to get a little dirty in those fights too and in a more neutral setting I think he would have been penalized for it...which means he gets a lot of points deducted/DQs or he has to fight different and isn't very competitive.

I mean I never saw him win any clear rounds really against Bika or Barrera...that's just not elite imo, and when you watch those fights they are pretty illustrative that boxing-wise all 3 of those guys are on the same level, just that one is the house fighter so he gets the breaks...thems the rules, just the way life it.

But yeah I have some critiques of someone like Floyd...but at least Floyd in every single fight basically I ever saw of him...he had at least 5 probably clear rounds where you come out of that round and say 'great round for Floyd, clear round'.

He was just a great boxer, he knew how to win rounds with minimal effort it seemed...ironically the worst rd by rd I think I ever saw from him was against McGregor lol...never thought I would have said that but yeah...maybe he was old by that point or didn't take it seriously...and I think Conor was a tricky opponent in a lot of ways too.

But yeah even against Castillo which most seem to feel was Floyd's most competitive fight...he still had at least like 4 clear rounds in that fight lol...Andre would get 11-1 cards at home and 10 of those rounds would have you shrugging your shoulders saying 'man there was nothing really between them in that round' lol.

[Boxing_1013]

FACT: if you think that Bika, Barrera, and Miranda..... are as good as Andre Ward..... then this is definitely NOT the sport for you

jog on

Serious question -did you ever watch his fights with Bika and Barrera - how did you score them if you did watch?

I've never met a lot of people who actually watched those fights lol...but those who have I haven't really seen anyone say that Andre dominated either fight, especially the Bika fight.

[Boxing_1013]

He just turned down 5 million dollars to fight Canelo and they would have us believe he would fight Golovkin for chump change. No way. Talk is cheap until they get to the negotiating table then all of a sudden things change.

I could've swore that I still heard somewhere that they weren't actually ready to fight Golovkin on that date. Not arguing that they also said they were ready, but I have a hard time believing Derev would've accepted 225K to arguably get beat (and take a beating) for that amount of money.

Yes good points guys...more or less my thoughts here as well.

[Boxing_1013]

I don't think

My favorite quote of yours, maybe

[Ake-Dawg]

He just turned down 5 million dollars to fight Canelo and they would have us believe he would fight Golovkin for chump change. No way. Talk is cheap until they get to the negotiating table then all of a sudden things change.

The GGG situation last year is vastly different from this year. Particularly given that they guy has gotten a couple of decent paydays since then. Where can I find the source for this $5M refusal?

[Ake-Dawg]

He just turned down 5 million dollars to fight Canelo and they would have us believe he would fight Golovkin for chump change. No way. Talk is cheap until they get to the negotiating table then all of a sudden things change.

Yes I choose to take what promoters and managers say with a grain of salt...whether it is Loeffler, Hearn, De la Hoya, Arum etc...they are all full of sh.it and occasionally they tell the truth...their job is not to tell the truth...it is to do everything in their power to prop their guy up, and very often that involves lying or half-truths.

If SD himself came out and said he would have fought on May 5th I would give it a little more credence...though tbh I think he would have fought on that date...that's what fighters do and he seems like kind of a throwback/fight anyone on short notice type of guy...a lot of fighters are like that to be fair.

But if the IBF hypothetically mandated SD-GGG I feel pretty confident SD's team would have been vigilant in making sure he got a full camp and max money...which would have meant a delay in the fight.

Let me ask you this - if it would have been so easy to make a deal with him in 1 month...why was Canelo not able to get a deal done with him?...why did it take him and Jacobs over a month, right up until the deadline for a purse bid, to finally get a deal done, when they have the same team basically?...and why is the GGG-SD fight not already done and over with as far as negotiations go?

It took SD a month just to negotiate terms with Danny - and that was presumably an easy fight to make! - how can anyone really say he would have been able to negotiate terms with GGG and fight him within that same one month timeframe

His team is just very pushy on negotiations...no problem with that, they have that right...with that in mind I don't think they would have allowed the fight on May 5th if the IBF mandated that fight...I think the IBF did what they could to make everyone happy in that situation...they allowed GGG a late replacement, didn't force SD in on short notice, didn't force GGG to delay his camp/fight...and said he had to face SD next...still think it was harsh to strip GGG when those circumstances were not really his fault, but it is what it is.

It took SD 1 month after GGG got stripped to negotiate with Danny and they have the same team! lol...and I'm sure they were talking before GGG officially got stripped since that was always the fight that was gonna happen if GGG got stripped.

"The promoters for middleweight contenders Sergiy Derevyanchenko and Daniel Jacobs went down to the wire on Tuesday but made a deal for them to meet for a vacant world title.

Lou DiBella, who promotes Derevyanchenko, and Eddie Hearn of Matchroom Boxing, which promotes Jacobs, had a difficult and intense negotiation, but the frenemies were able to work out the deal minutes before the scheduled 12 p.m. ET purse bid at the IBF offices in Springfield, New Jersey."

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/...leweight-title

You make a lot of assumptions that seem to align with what you want to believe. You find it easy to believe that your guy Golovkin is a stand up guy who will beat everyone...ATG...but find it hard to believe that he is business man who avoids tough fights to get to money fights.

[Boxing_1013]

You make a lot of assumptions that seem to align with what you want to believe. You find it easy to believe that your guy Golovkin is a stand up guy who will beat everyone...ATG...but find it hard to believe that he is business man who avoids tough fights to get to money fights.

Maybe you are conflating my opinions with others who like GGG...I think GGG is/was a great fighter and would have been a problem for anyone to legitimately beat at MW...I think his run at MW in his career more or less demonstrates how great he was...some agree, some don't, oh well just the way it is.

I like that he has shown to be a bit of a businessman...it's just smart...we would all like to see these guys fight, but if you can get $30 million for Canelo vs $3-5 million for Charlo or Andrade, why shouldn't he try for the Canelo fight almost every time, especially if Canelo is perceived as the best fighter of those 3?

It would be cool in a way if every fighter would forego money and just fight the best every fight regardless of the money and terms...but that's just not smart ya know...you have to be a little prudent in fight sports to make sure that you are being fairly compensated for the risk you are taking.

We unfortunately see guys die in there all too often...to completely disregard money when you fight just to please fans (many of whom don't like you) is not really a good move...I don't think any fighter should do that.

[alexjust]

if Golovkin was not afraid of losing, then why would be duck Derevy?

the guy had like 10 fights lol

you guys used to insist that Golovkin could beat Hagler..... but, he will not even get in there with Derevy

Hmmm...it would be hard to insist on that. I'd say that would be a closer to 50/50 fight and I wouldn't see either knocking the other out.

Your point could have been somewhat valid had GGG not fought Jacobs and Canelo. But blatantly stating that GGG is afraid of, at best, a gate keeper, destroys your credibility and make you look just like an irrational hater who would never give credit when the credit is due.

[aboutfkntime]

Serious question -did you ever watch his fights with Bika and Barrera - how did you score them if you did watch?

I've never met a lot of people who actually watched those fights lol...but those who have I haven't really seen anyone say that Andre dominated either fight, especially the Bika fight.

you are a fkn idiot

easily the biggest shlthead I have ever encountered on the internet, period

Ward is levels above those guys, NEITHER of those fights were controversial..... they were CLEAR wins, you are an utter fool

"The 34-year-old Cuban gave a solid effort, but he was befuddled by Ward's hand speed, elusiveness and overall boxing acumen. CompuBox's punch stats illustrated Ward's superiority:

True boxing fans can't help but appreciate in-ring artistry. Ward's work in the ring had members of the boxing community lamenting his prolonged absences. Yahoo Sports' Chris Mannix chimed in:

Andre Ward is one of the most skilled fighters of this generation. It's a damn shame he has been off/sidelined as much as he has.

Ward's jab and left hook were working in tandem like a versatile soul-singing duo. The jab was like a ballad, and the hook brought the funk to ****e things up. In the third round, one of those funky hooks caught Barrera on the top of his head and put him down.

The third through eighth rounds were carbon copies. Ward eluded Barrera's advances and made the Cuban pay with quick, well-placed counterpunches.

The only bump in the road for Ward came in the ninth round, when referee Raul Caiz Sr. penalized him a point for a low blow.

Ultimately, it was inconsequential as Ward cruised to the victory."


you are just a fkn idiot kid..... you LITERALLY would not know a good fighter if he punched you in the face