Comments Thread For: Golovkin-Derevyanchenko Formally Ordered By The IBF

[Grimgash]

It used to be a boxer's goal to get a fight with the divisions top star and money maker. It used to be the main goal of a boxer to land a fight with the biggest star in boxing. Whether it was landing a fight with Leonard in the 80s, DLH in the mid-90s to the mid 2000s. Then it was Paq and Mayweather. When a fighter finally reached that point they made a deal and took the fight. They never priced themselves out or made irrational, fantastical money demands.

Now, those days are no more. It has become a constant regular thing for fighters to turn down accepting a match with the sports biggest money makers. Even though certain fighters were offered more money than they ever made prior and more money than they are economically worth. Wilder turned down Joshua $100million deal with DAZN to fight Wilder, he also turned down a $50million deal w/o signing to DAZN to fight Joshua. He could not make anywhere near those amounts fighting anyone and now that kind of money is gone since Joshua lost. Garcia turned down huge money to fight Miguel Cotto in Cotto's farewell fight and in hindsight it was a terrible mistake by Garcia. Stevenson turned down big money to fight Hopkins and Kovalev. And we all know what happened to Stevenson as he will never get another paycheck in the boxing ring again. And now we have SD turing down $5.5 million to take on Canelo. This amount is 12.5x more than SD made against (what was then his biggest purse) Jacobs.

These were just a few examples. There are many more. The common thread is most of the fighters are associated with Al Haymon. Haymon is doing his fighters a disservice and eventually he will be sued in the coming years just like Don King.

It's sad... though a lot of them are running off the Pac-Floyd method of what WOULD happen hence hype is there and people sit around saying he could beat him if given the chance, but when given they don't take it and the mystery lives on. That being said Pac and Floyd were legends but that blueprint lives on in peoples heads. Whether you like the contender or hate the champ. I can understand the Wilder situation a bit only because it's an actual megafight or at least was. Canelo and SD is anything but and the outcome is almost foregone to most. No one is clamoring for the fight so just make it. PBC for what they've done right have also over paid fighters for garbage fights thinking they're entitled to more without having proven it.

[Senor_frogs]

You like it cuz you think Sissy-g wins by K.O.? It a weak attempt by people behind the certain to give Pvssy-g an easier road to a title. Pvssy-g is the BIGGEST HYPE JOB in history.

So according to you who should he fight? Since he doesn’t want to fight Jacobs, Charlo or Andrade. So yeah. It’s better than him fighting another can. Plus Alvarez has made it real clear that he’s not gonna fight him again. Regardless if he holds a belt or not. And why would he. He already beat GGG twice (imo). Do I think he was hyped up tooooo much? Yes. Do I think he was a product of HBO? Yes. Do I think he has a weak resume? Yes. But that doesn’t mean I don’t think he’s a good boxer. Because he is. Second best in the division imo. And I’ve stated that before. I’m a boxing fan buddy. I give credit where credit is due. Unlike you who’s a Fanboi. Your act just like the GGG fans who are never pleased with who Nelo is facing next.

[KillaMane26]

Credible? Wait, he lost to Jacobs & has only 14 fights.

Do u understand what "compared to" means??

Is he ranked? Does he have world class exp.? Is he 100× better than Steve Rolls.

Lemme say one more time for the people in the back
"Compared to"

[Ake-Dawg]

Honestly my friend...a lot of your 'facts' are not facts at all...they are your opinion or even the word of someone else, when we have no way of knowing what the real story is...like me saying Joshua ducked Wilder or vice versa...it's all an opinion at the end of the day.

It is an opinion as to whether SD would have been able to fight on May 5th

GGG could have fought SD after May 5th...but that would have involved messing up his training camp and possibly further postponing his big money fight with Nelo...it would have then gone to the following May...as SD-GGG would have happened in June at the earliest and September probably wouldn't have happened for GGG-Nelo 2.

No one is really hyping up Rolls or Vanes lol...GGG did what he needed to do and got the early KO...but yeah they weren't exactly ATGs...but neither was Rocky Fielding, Matt Korobov, Hugo Centeno, Fox, Walter etc...not every fight is going to be a killer.

WBC did order Charlo-GGG - and I never heard anything from either guy claiming they really wanted the fight...was Charlo making any noise for that fight? No...because no one still wants to really face GGG...you don't really get paid well and you will very likely lose and possibly get hurt...at least with Nelo you get a huge payday.

GGG never said he would not fight Charlo...that was Loeffler that said something like that.

The Andrade stuff...I mean come on...calling someone out...that's now a sign of the other guy ducking? lol...send in a contract if you want the fight...I guess Nelo was ducking Marcus Browne too.

If Andrade or Charlo were out here fighting killers I may see your point...but they avoided each other and every other good fighter basically at 154 when they were there...and they are doing the same thing at 160...why?

Because they can get paid roughly the same to fight anyone besides Canelo...anyone thinking they are really clamoring to fight GGG, even at G's age, is a little off imo...that is still a very high risk low monetary reward for them.

But hey people can believe whatever they want my friend...if you want to believe all those things, then by all means do it...that's what being a fan is about sometimes...but a lot of that stuff isn't 'fact', even if you really want it to be

No hard feelings though, good chatting

So you choose to ignore articles quoting Dibella and Connolly saying that Dervy was ready and willing to fight on May 5th for the opponent money that was already on the table? That's not opinion....that's fact!

[aboutfkntime]

Lol how much time did you spend on that man...I live in your head Lol...and as usual, you have to try and obfuscate some arguments in efforts to make it seem like you are winning...yawn

I would just add that unlike 95% of people who are Ward 'fans', I have actually seen a lot of Andre's fights...and I can't imagine anyone objectively saying that he dominated the Bika or Barrera fights, there was basically no separation between them in those fights...I just call it like I see it, and if he was from a less heralded boxing country I don't think he has nearly the amateur success or pro success he ended up attaining.

And really not trying to make this racial - more just trying to help ya out and expose some of your personal biases a bit, in efforts to try and help ya out...you seem to be consumed by that stuff, and it can't really be healthy man.

But if Ward was white and GGG was black I would have the same exact opinions of their skills, greatness, and careers....if Ward was white and GGG was black you would think Ward was the most overrated gift-receiving bum ever, and you would think GGG was the greatest MW of all time...everything for you is about race/color etc...just kind of gross tbh and not really someone to take seriously on boxing analysis.

I don't really get into all the tribal stuff...some of the greats are white, some are black, some are Mexican...just the way it is...when you try so hard to prop up guys in your tribe, and hate on guys outside of it, it just exposes you man...and it must be a very unhealthy way to live...just my 2 cents.

FACT: if you think that Bika, Barrera, and Miranda..... are as good as Andre Ward..... then this is definitely NOT the sport for you

jog on

[aboutfkntime]

Oh I see what you did there. The good ol' "question with a question". Makes it an interesting conversation, isn't it? Its like an argument of proving God's existence because it has never been disproved. Add a tea pot on a Martian orbit to that one as well. And unicorns.

if Golovkin was not afraid of losing, then why would be duck Derevy?

the guy had like 10 fights lol

you guys used to insist that Golovkin could beat Hagler..... but, he will not even get in there with Derevy

[aboutfkntime]

So you choose to ignore articles quoting Dibella and Connolly saying that Dervy was ready and willing to fight on May 5th for the opponent money that was already on the table? That's not opinion....that's fact!

that muppet is just a shlt-talking clown

dude thinks that Andre Ward is no better than Bika, Barrera, Miranda

he thinks that at least one of the "killers" on Golovkin's resume could have beaten Canelo..... but, he will not say which one lol

I don't think I have ever heard a guy who is clearly nothing but a dopey ignorant casual-fan who has never laced em up in his life..... insist that he knows more about boxing, than this idiot

[TonyGe]

So you choose to ignore articles quoting Dibella and Connolly saying that Dervy was ready and willing to fight on May 5th for the opponent money that was already on the table? That's not opinion....that's fact!

He just turned down 5 million dollars to fight Canelo and they would have us believe he would fight Golovkin for chump change. No way. Talk is cheap until they get to the negotiating table then all of a sudden things change.

[AKAcronym]

He just turned down 5 million dollars to fight Canelo and they would have us believe he would fight Golovkin for chump change. No way. Talk is cheap until they get to the negotiating table then all of a sudden things change.

I could've swore that I still heard somewhere that they weren't actually ready to fight Golovkin on that date. Not arguing that they also said they were ready, but I have a hard time believing Derev would've accepted 225K to arguably get beat (and take a beating) for that amount of money.

[TonyGe]

I could've swore that I still heard somewhere that they weren't actually ready to fight Golovkin on that date. Not arguing that they also said they were ready, but I have a hard time believing Derev would've accepted 225K to arguably get beat (and take a beating) for that amount of money.

I agree......