GGG sends DAZN letter to enforce contract. Canelo lawyers up

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  • 12thRd
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    #151
    Originally posted by richardt
    Again, its is very doubtful that a contract exists that states that Canelo agreed to fight GGG or that he gives all control to Oscar for opponent choice or none of the latest situation would have even made the media news.

    And if that is the case, Canelo can decline any such arrangements made outside of his involvement. Oscar verbally committed Canelo to at 3rd fight with DAZN most likely without getting it in writing from Canelo - that is why the whole situation blew up to what it is right now. Canelo would not be at odds with GBP if he had agreed to the 3rd fight. If Canelo had signed to fight GGG for a 3rd fight, none of this would be the volatile news that it is; lawyers would not be retained, everything would be inked for some time in the near future. If Canelo declines a third fight, he is allowed to do that. If he accepts a third fight, that is his choice. All Oscar can do is urge Canelo to pull him out of the mess by following through with a commitment that Oscar made.

    IF Canelo signed an agreement with GBP that they have full control over who he fights, then that puts Canelo in a position where he has to comply and takes the weight off of Oscar. That is a big IF. Again, huge stars have more control. Floyd and Vital K were the ones who chose who they fought and recently Pac. I'd bet some money that Canelo has that type of control as well.
    I agree.

    What is interesting is, as I keep inquiring, why would GGG be upset or seek legal pressure for this? It’s as if Team GGG understand the circumstances that have them insecure about something? What did the $100mil detail for GGG.

    I think this a complicated issue at DAZN revolving favoritism, and conflict of interest between the Promoters and Skipper. A bit funny.

    As others have stated. If Andrade wasn’t to be approved, told to Canelo months ago and probably before Jacobs, then Canelo needed to seek an alternative for FOTD. Makes sense choosing Kovalev to wrap the year. He is a Champ nonetheless at 175. These are starting to make sense. If the Kova fight doesn’t happen as well then it seems the frustration over the IBF makes sense as well since Undisputed for Andrade makes even less sense.

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    • richardt
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      #152
      Recently Canelo said that there is no contractual clause that forces him to fight Golovkin for a 3rd time. If that is true, hate him or love him, it is what it is and he only has to comply with what he is obligated for. Nothing more, nothing less.

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      • Shape up
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        #153
        Originally posted by richardt
        Again, its is very doubtful that a contract exists that states that Canelo agreed to fight GGG or that he gives all control to Oscar for opponent choice or none of the latest situation would have even made the media news. That's the reason why Canelo is at odds with Oscar because Oscar committed to something that Canelo did not agree to and this has now blown up in the media because of that discord.

        IF Canelo signed an agreement with GBP that they have full control over who he fights, then that puts Canelo in a position where he has to comply and takes the weight off of Oscar and none of us would be hearing about this situation. That is a big IF. Again, huge stars have more control. Floyd and Vital K were the ones who chose who they fought and recently Pac. I'd bet some money that Canelo has the final word on who he fights and if he accepts a third fight that is his choice and if he doesn't, that is his choice.
        Mayweather bought out his contract, canelo didn’t, if he knew he was in the clear why did he turn up with an independent laywer

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          #154
          Originally posted by Shape up
          Mayweather bought out his contract, canelo didn’t, if he knew he was in the clear why did he turn up with an independent laywer
          There is hundreds of millions of dollars at stake and your promoter making deals behind your back without your knowledge, be sort of insane not to have independent counsel at this point.

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          • QballLobo
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            #155
            Originally posted by 12thRd
            DAZN did not pay Canelo $350million. His contract is performance based. That’s why he got $15mil for Fielding since the fight values vary. He signed a contract that in all his fights he would earn $350 million, not a complete payment to Canelo’s bank account.

            The only thing DAZN can do is approve fights not mandate who he can fight. So it’s 50/50 with Canelo vs DAZN.

            Joshua knew DAZN would offer Wilder a total of $100mil for Breazeale and AJ x2 fights? At least that was a public offering for all sides to know. Wilder rejected the offer and stayed with Showtime, with many Wilder fans saying Deontay did good and was worth more.

            With Canelo vs GGG, Canelo never signed up for DAZN with stipulations in fighting GGG. That is fact. What is worth is that Canelo knew as GBP that DAZN was pushing for the trilogy while giving GGG $100mil. In other words, Canelo knows he’s the commodity and without him GGG doesn’t get his pay.

            So you must wonder, why is GGG upset with that? Is Canelo written in GGG’s contract. Did Loeffler know that Oscar promised Skipper (off the record) in making the Trilogy? There’s a big problem in that this has affected Canelo’s Sept. schedule. Seems like he was disciplined for approved fights because he didn’t want GGG in September.

            I guess DAZN didn’t like Canelo telling GGG to go and get a belt as well. With Matchroom’s recent scandal, GGG’s Multi-deal vs a non Canelo opponent.. DAZN, as Iole stated, messed up in 2019 for Q3-Q4.
            Canelo’s contract pays him a “minimum” of $350 million over 11 fights. As long as he fights twice a year he gets that money. He has escalators that would pay him more depending on subscribers brought in the month he fights but they won’t lower his pay.
            No one really knows how GGG’s contract works but the fact he’s trying to force a Canelo fight says that it was based on who he fights which makes sense since GGG isn’t a big draw on his own. I haven’t seen anything from DAZN or GGG’s camp saying he gets $100 million for fighting anyone.

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            Last edited by QballLobo; 08-08-2019, 04:27 PM.

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              #156
              Originally posted by Shape up
              Mayweather bought out his contract, canelo didn’t, if he knew he was in the clear why did he turn up with an independent laywer
              Mayweather nor any star can be forced to fight a specific fighter if they seriously do not want to. A star will let the promoter choose the opponent as long as the fighter is not adamant against fighting a certain fighter or at a given time. As well, you always retain a lawyer if you are looking at getting out of a contract due to the promoter not fulfilling their obligations such as Canelo was reportedly embarrassed by a few instances in which Oscar was a no show at his pressers, ostensibly because Oscar was impaired or hung-over. If it can be proven he was indeed absent for that reason, Canelo will get to pay far less to buy out his deal - because it portends greater difficulty for Oscar should the case be litigated. And add the fact that Oscar committed Canelo to a fight he did not agree to and that can cause legal action. Canelo secured the services of an independent lawyer - either to re-negotiate his Golden Boy deal or to ensure it's properly enforced or to cut a deal in which Canelo buys out the remainder of the contract.

              Canelo already said there is no contract at all that has a clause that states that he has to fight GGG. I'll take what he said over what some guy on this message board says unless GBP comes out and says that Canelo has no decision in the opponent choice and I doubt even you believe he has no choice in who he fights. Again, time will tell how this turns out and going in circles about this isn't going to change what happens. Most of the information and the beliefs of most people here is that there is no clause that forces Canelo to fighting GGG. That's how it stands unless something official comes out that changes that perspective.
              Last edited by richardt; 08-08-2019, 05:40 PM.

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              • SceneBoxer
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                #157
                Originally posted by kidbazooka
                Cuz dem messicans alteady whooped they azz so why gift them another payday my bruva.

                Messicans ain’t no fools
                whooped?? all of those fights were close... not fools?? how about cheats...

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                • Shape up
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                  #158
                  Originally posted by richardt
                  Mayweather nor any star can be forced to fight a specific fighter if they seriously do not want to. A star will let the promoter choose the opponent as long as the fighter is not adamant against fighting a certain fighter or at a given time. As well, you always retain a lawyer if you are looking at getting out of a contract due to the promoter not fulfilling their obligations such as Canelo was reportedly embarrassed by a few instances in which Oscar was a no show at his pressers, ostensibly because Oscar was impaired or hung-over. If it can be proven he was indeed absent for that reason, Canelo will get to pay far less to buy out his deal - because it portends greater difficulty for Oscar should the case be litigated. And add the fact that Oscar committed Canelo to a fight he did not agree to and that can cause legal action. Canelo secured the services of an independent lawyer - either to re-negotiate his Golden Boy deal or to ensure it's properly enforced or to cut a deal in which Canelo buys out the remainder of the contract.

                  Canelo already said there is no contract at all that has a clause that states that he has to fight GGG. I'll take what he said over what some guy on this message board says unless GBP comes out and says that Canelo has no decision in the opponent choice and I doubt even you believe he has no choice in who he fights. Again, time will tell how this turns out and going in circles about this isn't going to change what happens. Most of the information and the beliefs of most people here is that there is no clause that forces Canelo to fighting GGG. That's how it stands unless something official comes out that changes that perspective.
                  How do you know GBP didn't sign a contract stipulating that, it's the same as a rematch clause, in writing

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                  • ruedboy
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                    #159
                    In terms of legacy, whether Alvarez is legally obligated to fight Golovkin or not, is a non issue.
                    Most fans don't care if he can legally avoid fighting GGG.
                    If a third fight doesn't happen, most fans will know it was Alvarez who backed down.
                    I think the refusal to face GGG a third time will take away from Alvarez's rep and add to Golovkin's.

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                    • richardt
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                      #160
                      Originally posted by Shape up
                      How do you know GBP didn't sign a contract stipulating that, it's the same as a rematch clause, in writing
                      Rematch clauses arent in affect here nor do they compare to when Canelo signed with GBP years ago or resigning. To top that, it is some internet guy (that would be you) vs Canelo and I'm going with Canelo knowing a little bit more about what he has and hasn't signed. Like I said, done going in circles, time will tell if GBP has or does not have a contract that enforces a 3rd fight with GGG.

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