Who do your agree with, Lou or Tevin?

[daggum]

I'm with Farmer. I'm not a fan but his style is why he wins fights. If he changes that up he may well go on to lose winnable fights. Just do what you've got to do to win.

I get what Lou is saying, excitement brings more viewers. But fighters can't be what they're not.
I guess an option could be to be loud outside the ring, people seem to like that. Again though, if it's not how you are.

the reason farmer wins is because his opponents aren't good. he nearly lost to jono carrol. a guy who should have lost to francois, the guy farmer just beat yesterday. these guys are not good. take a look at some other guys on his resume...franscio fonseca, billy dibb what is this lol

[Chrismart]

the reason farmer wins is because his opponents aren't good. he nearly lost to jono carrol. a guy who should have lost to francois, the guy farmer just beat yesterday. these guys are not good. take a look at some other guys on his resume...franscio fonseca, billy dibb what is this lol

Oh yeah, I don't disagree. He's active, but not exactly fighting high level opponents. I think he loses as soon as he steps it up.

[Citizen Koba]

I don't think Lou is right at all. Lou bought a Pinto. Farmer is staying a Pinto. You can't turn a Pinto in a Lambo. You can't even turn a Pinto into a muscle car. Farmer is dancing with the girl he brought to the party. Lou's acting like dude is suppose to transform his Pinto into some new flashier car.

Thats not how things work, thats not how things should work.

But he don't need that. He just need to be the bad guy & he can fight MORE boring & careful if he wants to. He needs to get fans emotional & mad & wanna see him lose. He'll be making more money than too. Its a win all away around.

I didn't mean Lou was right to want to change Tevin's style - as I explained that's doomed to failure - I meant in the general point that dudes who ain't delivering the fireworks are gonna be harder to sell.

Like you say it's Lou's damn job to sell Farmer and it's Tevins job to win fights in whichever way he can - Lou knew who he was getting, he now has to figure out how to make it work.

[kiaba360]

Dude can't be a fighter he ain't... I'm not saying Tevin couldn't be more aggressive, look for the finish more if he tried, but if nothing's gonna find you out quicker than fighting in a manner that doesn't suit your temperament or disposition. He might get away with it for awhile against lower level guys, but regardless of what some folk seem to think on here every single fight is a risk, really ain't as much room as some folk would think for messing with a style that's taken you a lifetime to develop.

Course though, much harder to make a breakthrough in popularity if you ain't delivering the highlight reels, so Lou's right too.

And if he abandons the style that brought him success and adopts habits that do not properly utilize his attributes, he'll be labelled as ****** and foolish.

Rigo had one of his most entertaining fights last time out, but he relinquished his advantages and took more punishment than ever. Maybe it's age finally catching up with him, but the pressure of entertaining the audience may have had something to do with his performance.

[Redd Foxx]

Tevin's statement is bullshyt. If "taking damage" is a big concern, why are you a pro boxer? Make money while your window of opportunity is open. Being a boring *** means you're going to lose out on $$$. Mayweather is an example of a guy who took calculated risks during fights to be entertaining, but still didn't take much damage. Not everyone can be Mayweather but everyone CAN take intelligent risks to be entertaining. There IS a balance.

[GorillaDog]

It's also the entertainment business. You can put on a show like that and expect people to watch you. People really came there for the Ramirez/Hooker fight.

Not saying pull a Margarito and damage your career but you got to put on a show. Lou's a promoter. Just like every other promoter he wants a star that can draw.

[daggum]

Oh yeah, I don't disagree. He's active, but not exactly fighting high level opponents. I think he loses as soon as he steps it up.

if he never steps up he can break calzaghe/ottkes title defense record.

[daggum]

And if he abandons the style that brought him success and adopts habits that do not properly utilize his attributes, he'll be labelled as ****** and foolish.

Rigo had one of his most entertaining fights last time out, but he relinquished his advantages and took more punishment than ever. Maybe it's age finally catching up with him, but the pressure of entertaining the audience may have had something to do with his performance.

what has brought him success has been opponent selection and nothing more. ever since pedraza wiped him out easily he really hasn't fought anyone very good but along the way he has picked up a belt and a network sponsor to hype him up and thats really all it takes.

[Citizen Koba]

And if he abandons the style that brought him success and adopts habits that do not properly utilize his attributes, he'll be labelled as ****** and foolish.

Rigo had one of his most entertaining fights last time out, but he relinquished his advantages and took more punishment than ever. Maybe it's age finally catching up with him, but the pressure of entertaining the audience may have had something to do with his performance.

It is a tricky situation... there's no way a fighter should be expected to fight in a way that doesn't utilise his skills and abilities to the best advantage, but it's a sad reality that that might not always lead to them getting the most fans or earning the most money.

Way I look at it, it's the fighters job to fight the best fight they can and give themselves the best chance of winning while they're in between the ropes and the promoters job to sell that dude whatever the fuck his style is...

Lou's right that his style might not be the most fan friendly, but honestly he was ****** to say so... just as Tevin needs to be vigilant every second he's in the ring it's Lou's job to be on duty 100% of the time when a mics under his nose and basically calling his fighter boring 'stead of painting him as a defensive wizard didn't do him any favours at all.

Lou's about the best there is at what he does for my money, and his gruff no BS approach is part of what makes him good, but he dropped the ball here I think.

[_Rexy_]

He hits without being hit. No reason to boo the man.