Mayweather takes a MASSIVE dive in the history books tonight (RIP floyd)

[aboutfkntime]

this is how silly this discussion is.....

FACT: we all know not to put any stock in ABC titles

we all know this

we all know that NOW, there are 100+ current world " titles " at any point in time

we KNOW..... that they LITERALLY give those fkn things away

FACT: Thurman should have been stripped following 2 years of inactivity

FACT: Thurman was not one of the top 2x welterweights

FACT: if Thurman fought any mid-top welter before facing Pacquiao, he probably would have lost

FACT: Thurman was NOT a genuine welterweight champion, he was just a belt-holder

those facts prove that you lunatics will desperately grasp onto any straw to keep your silly argument afloat LMAO

it was just Thurman

[aboutfkntime]

Max Kellerman himself ranks Pac above May in his P4P GOAT rankings.

The fact is that Pac is an 8-weight champ and 5-weight lineal champ. That's the very definition of a P4P GOAT. For May to match that, he would need to capture a belt at super middleweight.

The outcome of the May-Pac fight doesn't mean much in P4P terms. May, a naturally bigger, taller, longer fighter, beat up a naturally smaller, shorter Pac. That's not how P4P works.

you are a fkn idiot

FACT: there used to be 8 divisions... now there are 17 divisions

FACT: there used to be 8 world champions, now there are more than 100

FACT: someone was ALWAYS going to tip-toe through the tulips, fighting mid-level guys who were not the best..... to pick up as much alphabet-rubbish as they could..... and that person happened to be Manny Pacquiao LMAO

FACT: there is only ONE criteria for greatness, and it has nothing to do with the rubbish you mentioned

WHO did you beat..... with consideration given to when/how

apply that logic to EVERY fighter, and it then becomes possible to compare across era's..... it then becomes possible to compare fighters today, with fighters of the past who did not compete in a an era with 17 divisions and 100+ world titles

I say again.....

Q. WHO did you beat..... with consideration given to when/how?

A. it was just Thurman..... get a grip son

FACT: you casual-fan clowns are going FULL ret4rd

[djeffectz]

Pac will beat Mayweather again, but i think it will be closer than last fight.

[aboutfkntime]

the criteria to measure " greatness ".....

Q. WHO did you beat..... with consideration given to when/how?

A. it was just Thurman..... get a grip son

FACT: you casual-fan clowns are going FULL ret4rd

just like with P4P..... most people who have an opinion, don't even know the criteria

casual-fans truly are fkn awful.....

they should be tied up.... plssed on.... then dragged behind a horse

[aboutfkntime]

Manny will retire.....

YEARS will pass.....

normality will resume.....

but, then..... out of the blue..... someone will mention Manny.....

..... and we will all suddenly be IMMEDIATELY reminded how truly ridiculous Pacquiao fans are

it was just Thurman..... you faeces-smearing ret4rds

[Curtis Harper]

When will the TS shows us that history book ?!?!?!?

[The D3vil]

kid..... in the 3rd fight, Pacquiao demanded a catchweight from JMM that was higher than Manny had ever weighed himself

which is INSANE !!

Ariza and Roach BOTH admitted that Pac was a natural JWW, and that he needed to eat 6 meals a day - including 3am/6am shakes - just to come in at 143/144..... so.....

Q. why didn't they fight Marquez at 140?
A. because they thought Marquez was old and slow at welter, so they wanted every possible advantage

stop being a typical two-faced fanboy cvnt

btw, that very same guy stretched out Pac like a used condom

1) Floyd beat Pacquiao..... /story

2) Pacquiao could never solve the Marquez-puzzle, but Floyd schooled JMM

3) Floyd has a better resume, with more/better higher-level wins

4) Floyd is undefeated..... Manny lost MULTIPLE times, including getting KTFO on multiple occasions

it is not even close

neither are top 20..... you casual-fans just love going full-******

Dude, you keep deflecting.

I already told you I'm not a Pac fanboy, as I used to have Floyd above him.

And so what Manny fought Marquez at a catchweight?

HE fought Marquez at 126 and only got a draw due to a scoring error from one of the judges after knocking Marquez down 3 times in a round.

He beat him at 130.

So, why shouldn't he get to pick a catchweight to fight him in the 3rd fight?

He earned the right.

Did he use a little gamesmanship?

Yeah, and?

And let me say this, a lot of people thought Marquez won the 3rd fight, so what did Manny do?

He fought him a 4th time, right after getting robbed against Bradley

He didn't have to do that. It wasn't even for a belt, but Manny takes risks.

And I see you had nothing to say about what Roberto Duran said about Floyd, did you?

"He thinks he's the best of all-times. We all know he fought NOBODY. He fought with this Mexican fighter, Castillo, Castillo whooped his a__, and the judges gifted the fight to him."

Figures.



Apparently, he doesn't buy your theory that ducking, dodging, and finagling your way to an undefeated record is the most impressive thing in the world.

If there's a fanboy here, it's you.

Like I said, Pac or Floyd were never my favorite fighters, though I respect them

[ADP02]

Marquez nearly KILLED pac !!

if Marquez was such a midget, then why did Manny insist on fighting him at welter in the 3rd fight?

Roach and Ariza BOTH stated that pac was a natural JWW on MANY occasions..... they had to feed Manny 6 meals a day to keep him at welter, including 3am/6am shakes..... and even then he was only coming in at 143-145

so..... why did they NEEEEED to fight Marquez at a catchweight (145) that was higher than pac had ever weighed himself up to that point?

all I was saying is.....

when you guys are telling stories about how great pac is..... and how shltty Floyd is..... you should leave Marquez name out of it

pac NEVER solved the Marquez puzzle..... not once

Funny how you avoided my Max Kellerman statement. You quoted Max Kellerman when it suited you but what about now? Like I said, there was an interview where Max Kellerman explains it to you that he expected Floyd to win and gives his reasons why but Max tells you why Manny is greater. It's not just about winning a close fight against a guy that was injured. Plus lets not forget the IV scandal.


Marquez?
Did you read what I said? Floyd won against a puffed up 135lbs fighter(who was fighting at 130 the year before) that had no business fighting a WW, at that time. In fact, Floyd came in at a weight higher than Marquez expected according to the original contract! LOL.

BTW - If you went back to when that contract was signed to fight Manny at WW, I was not too happy. Then I saw that Marquez hired a PEDs cheat and looked all bulked up and ready .... and changed my mind because I know that Marquez always fights Manny well. Trilogy at the time.

Manny was actually doing very well in that 4th fight and was doing the right things. If Marquez didn't do that KO, in another round or 2, Marquez was going to be out himself. Manny just got a bit too over confident plus he was unlucky in that he tripped over Marquez's foot.


AGAIN: You brought up Max Kellerman to prove your point. Who does he say is the greater fighter? MANNY!!!!




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[aboutfkntime]

Dude, you keep deflecting.

I already told you I'm not a Pac fanboy, as I used to have Floyd above him.

And so what Manny fought Marquez at a catchweight?

HE fought Marquez at 126 and only got a draw due to a scoring error from one of the judges after knocking Marquez down 3 times in a round.

He beat him at 130.

So, why shouldn't he get to pick a catchweight to fight him in the 3rd fight?

He earned the right.

Did he use a little gamesmanship?

Yeah, and?

And let me say this, a lot of people thought Marquez won the 3rd fight, so what did Manny do?

He fought him a 4th time, right after getting robbed against Bradley

He didn't have to do that. It wasn't even for a belt, but Manny takes risks.

And I see you had nothing to say about what Roberto Duran said about Floyd, did you?

"He thinks he's the best of all-times. We all know he fought NOBODY. He fought with this Mexican fighter, Castillo, Castillo whooped his a__, and the judges gifted the fight to him."

Figures.



Apparently, he doesn't buy your theory that ducking, dodging, and finagling your way to an undefeated record is the most impressive thing in the world.

If there's a fanboy here, it's you.

Like I said, Pac or Floyd were never my favorite fighters, though I respect them

bottom line: Pac NEVER solved the marquez-puzzle, despite having 4x attempts... but Mayweather aced it, first time

and no, Marquez did not set the blueprint... old Morales did

like I said, Pac has some excellent " highs "... he did not climb the mountains that Mayweather climbed... but he is exceptional, no question

but... those " lows " doe

it is not even close

FACT: you actually have to bank those high-end wins in the ring, not on paper... and, losing and getting KTFO does count... no matter how much you try to pretend it doesn't

[aboutfkntime]

Funny how you avoided my Max Kellerman statement. You quoted Max Kellerman when it suited you but what about now? Like I said, there was an interview where Max Kellerman explains it to you that he expected Floyd to win and gives his reasons why but Max tells you why Manny is greater. It's not just about winning a close fight against a guy that was injured. Plus lets not forget the IV scandal.


Marquez?
Did you read what I said? Floyd won against a puffed up 135lbs fighter(who was fighting at 130 the year before) that had no business fighting a WW, at that time. In fact, Floyd came in at a weight higher than Marquez expected according to the original contract! LOL.

BTW - If you went back to when that contract was signed to fight Manny at WW, I was not too happy. Then I saw that Marquez hired a PEDs cheat and looked all bulked up and ready .... and changed my mind because I know that Marquez always fights Manny well. Trilogy at the time.

Manny was actually doing very well in that 4th fight and was doing the right things. If Marquez didn't do that KO, in another round or 2, Marquez was going to be out himself. Manny just got a bit too over confident plus he was unlucky in that he tripped over Marquez's foot.


AGAIN: You brought up Max Kellerman to prove your point. Who does he say is the greater fighter? MANNY!!!!
.

Kellerman is just blurting out his " fave ".....

FACT: Pac NEVER solved the marquez-puzzle, despite having 4x attempts... but Mayweather aced it, first time

how can a guy who (according to Kellerman) lost 4x to Marquez..... possibly be better than Mayweather, who also beat him

Mayweather simply has more/better high-end wins than Pacquiao, so he is a greater fighter..... and that is before we even consider the 8/9/10 losses that Pac has on his resume'

you cannot be losing to average guys like Torrecampo, Sungsurat, Horn..... then go life-n-death with fighters who are not on Floyd's level like Marquez and Bradley..... and then expect to be rated higher than Floyd..... it makes no sense

Pacquiao is great..... but Mayweather is OBVIOUSLY greater