Lol. Just found out canelo wants a catch weight and rehydration clause

[satiev1]

Laughing at GGG fans when that coward GGG refused to go up even 1 weight class his entire career ran from Ward demanding that he meet him at catchweight of 164 or no fight even after he already agreed to fight another fighter at the full 168 and said 154 or 168 are the weights I will go to for big fights but not Ward nope it was 164 or no deal. Canelo is asking that if you want him to move up to a 6th weight class you give up something too. Doesn't seem like a unreasonable request. He's 5'8 just fought a month ago at 160 for phuk sake. GGG fans need to keep their mouth shut after GGG refused to fight ward at full 168 (just 1 weight class) but canelo who is smaller should go all the way to 175? You frauds justified GGG killing the ward fight saying he's the A side Ward should have to give up lbs too 8 lbs is alot when it was arguable who's the A side GGG or Ward it's not arguable who is the A side Canelo or Kovalev and the difference in weight between them is more massive then 8lbs. Your punk never had the balls to move even 1 weight class Canelo is looking to win world titles in 4 different weight classes in 3 years!

Canelo walks around at 190 lbs. His weigh in weight is close to 180 lbs even fighting at mw.

[Curtis Harper]

Canelo walks around at 190 lbs. His weigh in weight is close to 180 lbs even fighting at mw.

When will you post a link to support this thread ?????

[LetOutTheCage]

Is this really surprising? Canelo is king of catch-weights, of course he would want to drain Kovalev to the point he is a husk. He's only looking for names on his resume, he's not looking for tough fights.

Didnt Kovalev respond already, basically saying he wouldn't go down?

[_Rexy_]

Come on you understand these guys arguing & talking specific weight limits. Mfers trying to get max advantage or beyond max advantage. Its all a part of the process.

And like it or not this is how boxing has always worked & its the reason boxing is the only mom & pop caliber sport in boxing. Cuz you can make up the actual rules & regulations of the sport more than you can in any other sport.

Now if someone with some power (another issue in boxing cuz no one has power in boxing, like someone has power in the NFL or NBA) says sh^t should work like x, y & z then fair play on saying that you gotta weigh in at 147 for a title fight or 148 for a non-title fight at WW (like they do in the UFC for example vs just letting people weigh in whatever the two guys agree to among each other). But til then boxing has been & still is up for guys to make up the rules as they have the power & leverage to do so.

I'd much prefer we live in a boxing world where the weight is decided, the ring size is decided, the gloves are decided, the rounds are decided & the money is decided among other most basic of things going into a every single fight a guy has at a certain level in the game. But thats just not how boxing is or has been sit up regardless of how James Toney (a favorite of mine back in the day too) did sh^t.

I fully agree with you. I just wish more guys were like Toney instead of looking to use some bull**** "A Side" status to tilt the scales in their favor.

[_Rexy_]

Oh I'm well aware of Canelo's multiple abuses of using catchweights. That **** should be rid of boxing ASAP. If its a catchweight or if it has rehydration clauses it should be a non-title fight.

I'm fine with the odd catchweight if it's to bridge two classes (WW champ and SWW champ fight at 150) but I'm sick and tired of it being used as a way to get an advantage.

[Eff Pandas]

I fully agree with you. I just wish more guys were like Toney instead of looking to use some bull**** "A Side" status to tilt the scales in their favor.

It ain't happening. First few people care all that much so its a w/e thing & two whats the upside for you if you are the cool guy? The 0.3% of guys who care about just accepting the fight at the regular weight limit & all that look lovingly at you the next time you fight win or lose this one? Maybe, but thats for sure when of the top perks.

[kafkod]

3 links that are pretty unbiased -
https://www.latimes.com/sports/sport...915-story.html

https://www.thefightcity.com/golovki...ovalev-boxing/

http://thecomeback.com/queensberryru...ht-divide.html

Can you share some links ?
TS hates links as does most NSB'ers........

I must have posted literally hundreds of links on this topic back when it was still hot news, and none of them made any difference to the way people felt about it. Whether GGG "ducked" Ward is not a matter of facts, it's a matter of how people want to interpret those facts.

These are the relevant facts: GGG received an offer to fight Ward at 168lb, with a 50/50 split, the day after he signed contracts for a unification fight with Lemieux. This was in the summer of 2015. Ward had just come back from a long lay-off and beaten Paul Smith, at 172lb.

There was no specific date in the offer, but it was stated that both Ward and GGG would have interim fights before facing each other sometime in 2016.

At that time, GGG was the WBC 160lb interim champion and mandatory challenger. Unusually for the WBC, they had given GGG a legally binding contract guaranteeing him an immediate shot at the winner of the Cotto vs Canelo WBC title fight, scheduled for Nov that year.

That was part of the deal reached when GGG agreed to step aside and allow Cotto/Canelo to take place before he got his shot, and it proved to be a real thorn in the WBC's side. Cotto also paid GGG an $800k step aside fee.

GGG's plan - provided he could beat Lemieux in Oct - was to go on to fight the winner of Cotto/Canelo sometime in 2016, which was the same time frame stipulated in the offer he got from Ward.

The WBC rules state that a mandatory challenger must be fit, not under contract for another fight, and available to fight imediately if the mando is ordered, or he loses his mandatory position. So GGG was faced with a choice between moving up to 168 tor Ward or staying at 160 for a unification fight with the winner of Cotto/Canelo.

According to Ward, Tom Loeffler rejected his offer 23 mins after recieving it. I'm surprised he thought about it for more than a minute, tbh!

Re the the 164 catchweight demand from GGG. Loeffer denied that demand was ever made, and he was telling the truth there. A catchweight was never part of any negotiations between the 2 sides. It came from an interview with Abel Sanchez. Abel said that GGG was a bigger draw than Ward and was being asked to move up for the fight, so if Ward wanted 50/50 on the money he should offer 50/50 on the weight too. This was later co-signed by Loeffler.

When it was put to GGG he replied by saying, "Yes, 50/50 money and weight is fair"

That's where the myth of the 164 catchweight "demand" came from.

[garfios]

Floyd had already fought multiple times at 154 yet forced Canelo to go down to 152 otherwise he wouldn't fight him. Manny had already fought at 147 yet forced cotto to come to down 145 or no fight not to mention a million other catchweight fights Manny impossed on his opponents. Cotto forced Sergio Martinez to come down to 159 or no fight. Sugar Ray Leonard forced Lalonde a light heavyweight to go down all the way to 168 or he wouldn't fight him. All these guys justified it by saying I have already moved up mulitple weight classes in my career your weight is not my natural weight.

Canelo has already moved up what 5 weight classes through out his career won titles in 3 different weights. Jumped up to 160 and whooped the so called boogyman at his own weight. He is a natural middleweight weight you want him to jump up 2 full weight classes, give up 15lbs and you think Kovalev shouldn't have to sacrifice a thing to get the fight?

He didn't whoop anyone. Actually he should have a least 2 more losses on his resume. Lara make him look like a novice and the first ggg fight was a robbery. The second was closer but I think he did edged out.

[Curtis Harper]

I must have posted literally hundreds of links on this topic back when it was still hot news, and none of them made any difference to the way people felt about it. Whether GGG "ducked" Ward is not a matter of facts, it's a matter of how people want to interpret those facts.

These are the relevant facts: GGG received an offer to fight Ward at 168lb, with a 50/50 split, the day after he signed contracts for a unification fight with Lemieux. This was in the summer of 2015. Ward had just come back from a long lay-off and beaten Paul Smith, at 172lb.

There was no specific date in the offer, but it was stated that both Ward and GGG would have interim fights before facing each other sometime in 2016.

At that time, GGG was the WBC 160lb interim champion and mandatory challenger. Unusually for the WBC, they had given GGG a legally binding contract guaranteeing him an immediate shot at the winner of the Cotto vs Canelo WBC title fight, scheduled for Nov that year.

That was part of the deal reached when GGG agreed to step aside and allow Cotto/Canelo to take place before he got his shot, and it proved to be a real thorn in the WBC's side. Cotto also paid GGG an $800k step aside fee.

GGG's plan - provided he could beat Lemieux in Oct - was to go on to fight the winner of Cotto/Canelo sometime in 2016, which was the same time frame stipulated in the offer he got from Ward.

The WBC rules state that a mandatory challenger must be fit, not under contract for another fight, and available to fight imediately if the mando is ordered, or he loses his mandatory position. So GGG was faced with a choice between moving up to 168 tor Ward or staying at 160 for a unification fight with the winner of Cotto/Canelo.

According to Ward, Tom Loeffler rejected his offer 23 mins after recieving it. I'm surprised he thought about it for more than a minute, tbh!

Re the the 164 catchweight demand from GGG. Loeffer denied that demand was ever made, and he was telling the truth there. A catchweight was never part of any negotiations between the 2 sides. It came from an interview with Abel Sanchez. Abel said that GGG was a bigger draw than Ward and was being asked to move up for the fight, so if Ward wanted 50/50 on the money he should offer 50/50 on the weight too. This was later co-signed by Loeffler.

When it was put to GGG he replied by saying, "Yes, 50/50 money and weight is fair"

That's where the myth of the 164 catchweight "demand" came from.

Excellent breakdown.

My point about links is a person should post them to support their comments. As you can see, the TS wants no part in supplying links and people (Nelo haters) are stepping on each other to shlt on Nelo.

Boxing fans are the worst in sports.

[kafkod]

Excellent breakdown.

My point about links is a person should post them to support their comments. As you can see, the TS wants no part in supplying links and people (Nelo haters) are stepping on each other to shlt on Nelo.

Boxing fans are the worst in sports.

If the TS had posted some kind of proof to back up what he was saying, I would have been shitting on Canelo for it myself!

But a thread like this without a link to the source of the info being given shouldn't be taken seriously. It's really nothing more than rumour mongering.