most unbeatable fighter of all time?

[boliodogs]

Bruce Lee....if the reports are true.

Only in the movies. He did not compete with other pro fighters

[Rusty Tromboni]

What's really mind boggling is that we never even saw the best Foreman.

1978 - 1986 Foreman would've been waging war with Earnie Shavers, Trevor Berbick, Pinklon Thomas, Tony Tucker, Larry Holmes, Michael Spinks, Mike Tyson, Buster Douglas.

The Rumble in the Jungle changed everything. If he had won that fight and never lost his confidence, imagine how different boxing history would've been. But the loss doesn't matter as much as his state of mind. Maybe George needed someone like an Emanuel Steward to help get his mind right after the Ali loss.

THis is what happen when casual fans start mouthing off about a sport they don't know. Maybe stick to ESPN?


How does Foreman get absolved of any guilt in this? How does Steward fix what the inimitable Gil Clancy couldn't? That's like downgrading from a Cadillac to a Lincoln.

Foreman's loss to Ali didn't have to torpedo his career: Dempsey had a horrific career start; Louis got starched by Schmeling; Marciano commenced his career "too late"; Liston commenced his even later; Ali was at his best and lost to a fading Frazier; Lewis and Wlad both had inexcusable KO losses before winning the championship. Foreman decided not to become a champion. It's that simple. He made a choice. And that's the best insight into his "best" we could ever hope for.

Sure, he could have continued KO'ing out-matched competition and basic brawlers. That's sort of what he did in his comeback. But the Young fight proves he never deserved a rematch with Ali.

The loss to Ali could have turning point for Foreman, a la Duran-Leonard I. In hindsight, we see that was Ali's fight to lose. It made Holmes-Cooney look like a knock-off version. If Foreman really were unbeatable, he would have rebounded from that loss a stronger fighter. Under the tutelage of Clancy, he should have avenged the loss and staved off Holmes' ascent.

It's tempting to say that a fading Ali would have gotten torched by an improved Foreman. On paper, it looks like that is what would have happened. But Foreman just didn't have it between the ears.

[Eff Pandas]

If Ali beat your most unbeatable fighter in the year you think he was at the height of his unbeatability shouldn't your answer be Ali?

I think 90's era RJJ was the most unbeatable guy I saw. Everyone was playing checkers & he was playing chess.

[Szef]

If Ali beat your most unbeatable fighter in the year you think he was at the height of his unbeatability shouldn't your answer be Ali?

I think 90's era RJJ was the most unbeatable guy I saw. Everyone was playing checkers & he was playing chess.

no because no fighter is unbeatable.

just tells you how special ali was.

at the time there was only ONE figther capable of beating foreman.

if you don't agree then give me one name other than ali who could beat foreman.

[Toffee]

The most unbeatable guy I ever saw was early Tyson. And even he was beatable. Partly because of his personality defects.

I don't think there was ever a version of a fighter that was unbeatable.

[sunny31]

What's really mind bobbling is that we never even saw the best Foreman.

1978 - 1986 Foreman would've been waging war with Earnie Shavers, Trevor Berbick, Pinklon Thomas, Tony Tucker, Larry Holmes, Michael Spinks, Mike Tyson, Buster Douglas.

The Rumble in the Jungle changed everything. If he had won that fight and never lost his confidence, imagine how different boxing history would've been. But the loss doesn't matter as much as his state of mind. Maybe George needed someone like an Emanuel Steward to help get his mind right after the Ali loss.

Fixed it for you

[SN!PER]

How does Foreman get absolved of any guilt in this? How does Steward fix what the inimitable Gil Clancy couldn't?

Right, it was Foreman's fault 100%. No disrespect to Clancy or anyone he was working with. I'm just saying he needed the right relationship, a mentor and close friend that really understood him and knew how to help him rebuild. Not just in the ring, but outside of the ring too.

Steward wasn't that person. Different eras, disparate styles, etc. What I mean is he needed someone to guide him like Steward did for Wladimir Klitschko, pulling him out of a dark place after his defeat. What Cus D'Amato was for Mike Tyson.

[Eff Pandas]

at the time there was only ONE figther capable of beating foreman.

Okay so who would've beaten Ali in 1974 then if he wasn't the most unbeatable guy?

[Szef]

Okay so who would've beaten Ali in 1974 then if he wasn't the most unbeatable guy?

nobody would.

that is my poiint.

we could play this game forever.

fighter a beat fighter b and that means fighter b has always been shyyyyt

doesn't work like that.

george foreman WAS unbeatable and muhammad ali was the only fighter who could beat him.

the other fighters of his era tried and we saw how that went.

except lyle maybe. but he still got koed.

in the future, quote everyting i said please.

[NearHypnos]

Finito Lopez who in fact never lost a fight.