This is the problem with these apps

[Eff Pandas]

Look no further than ESPN.. As they took on NFL, NBA and MLB, they had to dedicate programming to each sport (likely that was part of the deal when they acquired the rights). For a long time the sports they used to show all but disappeared, like boxing. It became just a Friday night thing. I can't see how the same thing doesn't happen with DAZN.

They didn't have Canelo. I think DAZN is at another level of the game then ESPN ever was in boxing til recently. I don't see DAZN dropping Canelo fights like ESPN dropped Andrew Council fights.

They have to do some kind of pay per fight because boxing fans are not going to be the ones supporting the app, especially if they add major sports and thus do less boxing.

I don't necessarily agree. I could see them doing it like I said, but I don't think its a definite. HBO went without PPV for a long time (13ish, 15ish years?). I think DAZN could stay away from a PPV boxing arm indefinitely or for a decade+ easy.

Also its the nature of the sport that as buzz builds most purchases are made day of the fight. DAZN can't keep expecting people to take the time to sign up for a monthly or yearly service just to watch a fight given they have no interest in the smaller cards.

Isn't that just the nature of sports? I mean who's THAT excited for the Detroit Lions Thanksgiving game in August? I think getting excited for an event the day of is pretty standard of a thing.

And again I feel like I gotta mention this every couple weeks. DAZN isn't a boxing streaming service. They are a sports streaming service. If DAZN is living or dying on boxing THEY WILL DIE. DAZN needs other sports to survive & other sports being among their content will dilute the importance of boxing that most people are feeling right now cuz right now DAZN more or less IS seen as a streaming boxing service to boxing fans & I get that outlook...but its still a false narrative of what DAZN is doing & people will see that when DAZN continues to add content & ideally for them more sports.

[The Big Dunn]

And they were doing worse then DAZN is doing now? And they had more to offer huh? I guess they shoulda went outta business like a lot of cats are suggesting DAZN is going to have to do then.



Make up your mind. You just HBO picked up HBO when "boxing was a mainsteam sport" now you're saying they grew they sport, but most people would argue, myself among them, that HBO made boxing more of a niche sport & helped shrink the sport.



Whats with all this "growing the sport" sh^t anyway?

Networks buy things they think people will watch. Thats why they buy content. Obviously they want more & more people to watch something, but they aren't in it for the sport to grow. They are in it for the money the people who'll come to watch the sport bring.



Boxing is a sport with a loyal audience. MMA too. Both are dabbling pretty strongly in boxing & MMA.

And its getting so old to say this, but DAZN is still less than a year in the game in the US. They won the rights to Japanese baseball awhile back & grew nicely in Japan off of that. If they acquire a major US sport they'll grow here too. We are still early in the game. ESPN was trash in the beginning to what its become now. HBO was trash & only was on the air for 9 hours a day & look what they've become. This sh^t takes time. You can't invent a finish line every day & say "well looks like DAZN is still losing". This sh^t takes years.

I didn't suggest they should, just pointed out the difference. The difference you and others are overlooking is HBO offered product not available elsewhere-unedited movies. A fight on HBO was seen as "special". That isn't the case with the apps.

When boxing became an HBO staple it was a major sport in the US. In addition to HBO, it was often shown on the 3 major networks, was shown every Tuesday and Friday night on USA and eSPN and was the marquee event in the Olympics.

AS HBO grew and became what we saw in the 200's with exclusive deals yes it did contribute to the niching and dying of the sport.

I understand it takes time. The thing you keep forgetting is HBO and ESPN were unique when they started. They offered unique programming found nowhere else.

DAZN isn't like that. It's ESPN/foxsports on an app.Not saying it's going to fail, but DAZN as of right now doesn't offer anything to pull fans from other channels the way espn and hbo did.

[The Big Dunn]

They didn't have Canelo. I think DAZN is at another level of the game then ESPN ever was in boxing til recently. I don't see DAZN dropping Canelo fights like ESPN dropped Andrew Council fights.



I don't necessarily agree. I could see them doing it like I said, but I don't think its a definite. HBO went without PPV for a long time (13ish, 15ish years?). I think DAZN could stay away from a PPV boxing arm indefinitely or for a decade+ easy.



Isn't that just the nature of sports? I mean who's THAT excited for the Detroit Lions Thanksgiving game in August? I think getting excited for an event the day of is pretty standard of a thing.

And again I feel like I gotta mention this every couple weeks. DAZN isn't a boxing streaming service. They are a sports streaming service. If DAZN is living or dying on boxing THEY WILL DIE. DAZN needs other sports to survive & other sports being among their content will dilute the importance of boxing that most people are feeling right now cuz right now DAZN more or less IS seen as a streaming boxing service to boxing fans & I get that outlook...but its still a false narrative of what DAZN is doing & people will see that when DAZN continues to add content & ideally for them more sports.

Dude Forbes reported that half the people that bought dazn to watch the canelo/fielding fight cancelled the service. Canelo is not such a star in America that he is making that much of a difference, which is one of the main reasons DAZN hasn't hit sales expectations. Hearn offering Wilder such a huge deal for 3 fights shows you DAZN is desperate to get into the african american market where it doesn't seem to be to successful.

That was because HBO fights felt bigger because they were on a channel that was unique and different. DAZN fights are not like that. DAZN is going to still want to generate revenue from non subscription purchasers and the best way to do that is allow wither a tv network to broadcast fights or do some kind of selling fights on a per fight basis.

NO that isn't the nature of all sports. Boxing events tend to be purchased day of the event, not in advance.

It's not a false narrative at all. Again DAZN isn't unique. We can see espn, fox sports, nbcsports, to get an idea of what will happen when a network/service dedicated to sports programming adds major sports. Once they get corporate partnerships with major sports, boxing will become less visible because they use more TV time to promote the major sport.

[Eff Pandas]

I didn't suggest they should, just pointed out the difference. The difference you and others are overlooking is HBO offered product not available elsewhere-unedited movies. A fight on HBO was seen as "special". That isn't the case with the apps.

Obviously its not the exact same thing as HBO. You can't compare DAZN to anything is the problem with making any 100% apples to apples comparison.

When boxing became an HBO staple it was a major sport in the US. In addition to HBO, it was often shown on the 3 major networks, was shown every Tuesday and Friday night on USA and eSPN and was the marquee event in the Olympics.

Yea & HBO helped kill it as a major sport too.

And boxing is ALWAYS shown in a bunch of places. Thats nothing new since I've been watching boxing.

AS HBO grew and became what we saw in the 200's with exclusive deals yes it did contribute to the niching and dying of the sport.

Agree.

I understand it takes time. The thing you keep forgetting is HBO and ESPN were unique when they started. They offered unique programming found nowhere else.

I'm not forgetting nothing. But this is a more interesting & legit issue for DAZN unlike 99% of the stuff people are talking about in this thread that DAZN needs to overcome.

DAZN isn't like that. It's ESPN/foxsports on an app.Not saying it's going to fail, but DAZN as of right now doesn't offer anything to pull fans from other channels the way espn and hbo did.

Canelo fans, hardcore boxing fans & hardcore MMA fans would disagree with you. Probably hardcore US cricket fans to, but kinda figure thats not a huge number of mfers.

But yea they definitely need more meaningful content for a more mainstream sports audience & I've been saying that from day 1 when 80% of the people here were talking about as DAZN as a boxing app (think we are down to only half of people here thinking of it as a boxing app vs a sports app these days).

It should be obvious & not needing to be said they need more & better content to thrive doe so idk why thats a meaningful counterpoint. If HBO or ESPN hadn't gained ground with more entertaining content & sports respectively they wouldn't be where they are today either. I mean if you take away like 5 specific shows from HBO's history they probably aren't half as big as they are now. It don't take THAT much to keep you afloat or to take things up to epic levels.

Like I mentioned earlier DAZN got Japanese baseball (I believe the most popular sport in Japan, or 2nd worse case) & that changed the game for them in Japan. What sport do they need to acquire full or partial rights to to have that same change in the US? Idk I don't follow anything non-combat sports related, but I bet its not gonna take much to get them more seriously into the sports game then they are today.

[Eff Pandas]

Dude Forbes reported that half the people that bought dazn to watch the canelo/fielding fight cancelled the service.

Lotsa new services had churn issues early. Like HBO. And HBO probably had less US people subbing 4, 5 years in then DAZN has already.

Canelo is not such a star in America that he is making that much of a difference, which is one of the main reasons DAZN hasn't hit sales expectations.

Canelo is probably the most popular fighter in the world today. And DAZN is a worldwide product. Canelo is generating money for DAZN in more countries & more money then probably anyone else DAZN is dealing with currently. Thats a pretty big star in my book.

Hearn offering Wilder such a huge deal for 3 fights shows you DAZN is desperate to get into the african american market where it doesn't seem to be to successful.

Desperate? LOL. I'd argue it shows they got money to throw around & multiple avenues to make moves in & out of boxing.

DAZN's success isn't around the corner if they had Wilder & everyone else in PBC tomorrow. This ain't even about boxing to anyone except boxing fans I hate to be the one to have to continue to break it to you guys.

That was because HBO fights felt bigger because they were on a channel that was unique and different. DAZN fights are not like that. DAZN is going to still want to generate revenue from non subscription purchasers and the best way to do that is allow wither a tv network to broadcast fights or do some kind of selling fights on a per fight basis.

If this was a boxing app I'd agree with you. Its not. So its a possibility cuz you gotta keep your options open, but I don't believe it to be a likely thing even if they have a one off event for some big event that could happen in the next couple years.

Boxing is a big thing to DAZN today, but ultimately Boxing is gonna be a small fish in a big pond of DAZN or isn't gonna be around to keep paying people in Boxing cuz they'll be outta business.

NO that isn't the nature of all sports. Boxing events tend to be purchased day of the event, not in advance.

You talking about tickets to the venue? Whats that got to do with anything?

It's not a false narrative at all. Again DAZN isn't unique. We can see espn, fox sports, nbcsports, to get an idea of what will happen when a network/service dedicated to sports programming adds major sports. Once they get corporate partnerships with major sports, boxing will become less visible because they use more TV time to promote the major sport.

A all sports network isn't new I agree which is all DAZN is at the end of the day it just happens to be via a newer method of consumption. But there is a uniqueness to DAZN streaming sports, but DAZN just hasn't focused on it yet.

If you've watched enough streaming content you know there is the ability to customize it unlike broadcast TV. Thats what is gonna win the streaming wars that are coming. Whoever can be innovative enough to make the preferred customizable format to watch sports & TV in general will be who's gonna be running sh^t & we are far too early in the game to have a solid guess with who that might end up being cuz all the pieces aren't even on the board yet. And the fact that DAZN is on the board does give them certain first mover advantages, but they need to jump on that before others do & I suspect thats one of the many things they are working on behind the scenes as most of the dipsh^ts here talk negatively about "that boxing app".

[RandyHogan]

Little did they know they would have to buy a 5 dollar app to watch it on a 5x3 inch phone

Just about every device has the ESPN app and most people are smart enough to put this type of content on a regular sized TV. Most people with a brain could figure it out

[RandyHogan]

So how do you watch ESPN+ on a PC?

You log into your account on a PC and start watching. It’s pretty simple.

[Fanofreason]

Dazn has 3 fights a year worth paying $20 for.

The rest is FS1 level fights behind a $20 monthly paywall.

Moronic business model.

[El Gitano]

The good thing about apps though is now I can watch fights on the go. At a wedding my whole table was watching the Canelo fight on my phone.