Comments Thread For: Deontay Wilder on Joshua Clash: We Still Gonna Fight, Why Not

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Yes but Wilder is not Ruiz. I would say Ruiz is faster and has better skills. Wilder is a great athlete, good warrior with an instinct, but not really good boxer.

It is hard to say Wilder would simply destroy Joshua because Ruiz did.

I don't know what to tell you man. If you think Joshua has any kind of a chance against wilder, after being easily beaten by ruiz, then maybe you just haven't been following boxing that long.

Maybe you didn't see the ruiz fight? Maybe you don't know what you're looking at?

I don't really have the time to explain the intricacies of boxing to you, it would take too long.

Joshua was exposed. He will most likely never fight wilder, because he himself knows he's in over his head, or if by some miracle he steps in for a paycheck, he will get brutally destroyed. Any real boxing fan who knows what they're looking at sees the same things I saw.

[OldTerry]

Was John Ruiz a Mexican heavy weight Champion? Why they kept saying Andy Ruiz is the first? Unless one was born in Mexico and the other born in America, I must be missing something.

Actually it is more accurate to say that Ruiz is the first heavy weight champion of the world who is a Mexican. I know he is a USA citizen but his ancestry is pure Mexican.

[Oldskoolg]

Actually it is more accurate to say that Ruiz is the first heavy weight champion of the world who is a Mexican. I know he is a USA citizen but his ancestry is pure Mexican.

John Ruiz is Puerto Rican, Andy Ruiz is Mexican American. Both are Americans of certain ethnicities just like anyone else in the USA.

[OldTerry]

Pacquiao lost to Marquez before Mayweather fought him.

Tyson lost to Douglas before Holyfield fought him.

Hearns lost to Leonard before Hagler fought him.

AJ can follow in the footsteps of these greats.

Styles make fights, so in my opinion fighters with unbeaten records are carefully matched to avoid certain styles and levels of experience. With only a few exceptions all of the truly great fighters experienced losses at some point in their careers.

[megas30]

Actually it is more accurate to say that Ruiz is the first heavy weight champion of the world who is a Mexican. I know he is a USA citizen but his ancestry is pure Mexican.

Ok. Could have sworn I saw something that said John Ruiz was Mexican, yes, then it makes sense now.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Wilder and Joshua have something in common. Their cherry picks went wrong.

Wilder fought Fury because he thought Fury would be an easy work. Joshua `s team chose Ruiz jr. as a late replacement for Miller because they thought Ruiz jr. was some soft touch, easy win for Josh.

Now we have gotten 2 big potential rematches - from cherry picks.

[El_Mero]

Wilder sounds like he put down the marketing megaphone for a moment and spoke rationally, and agree with everything he said.

There has to be some lingering disappointment with Joshua. Wilder took a gamble in turning down the DAZN deal he was offered figuring they would either sweeten the deal, else he could top it some other way.

The gamble relied on them both continuing to win, but AJ didn't, and with AJ losing much of his allure, Wilder may be faced with not being able to match the numbers in the DAZN deal again - ie gamble didn't pay off, but through no fault of his own.

Events may still come good so that Wilder can top the original DAZN deal, but not looking as rosy as it did.

Wilder will never get another offer to earn that much in 4 fights. Theres nobody who brings that much money in the heavyweight division. His own team wouldnt offer him 50 million like they supposedly did to AJ. Hell, he didnt even earn 20 million vs Breaz like he would have if he signed the deal. Til this day, that was an idiot move. BUT, he has his 0 and the wbc title.

[Roberto Vasquez]

I hope so, it's a fight I still want to see. Styles makes fights. Just because Ruiz had success against AJ, doesn't mean Wilder will do the same.

Yeah AJ has looker bad against shorter fighters before. Wilder's speed + power would trouble him but you don't really know who will win until it happens.

Wilder had lined up a load of bums before AJ fought. Seemed to have no interest in the belts. Ruiz deserved them because he took the fight

[angkag]

Bro with all due respect don’t build on my post to further soft spin a Wilder loss arguement.

Whether you like it or not the AJ image war crumbled when he got mercilessly beaten this past Saturday.

Guys are still trying to politicize the winner. Well you can’t elect a champ in a sport with the very realest outcomes.

Wilder’s stock price just went up. Joshua’s stock price just plummeted. There is simply no spinning that.

Furthermore, Ruiz vs Wilder (Mexican American vs Afro American) will be even bigger than Joshua vs Wilder. In America these cultures against each other become very polarized and everyone will tune in. See Mayweather verse Delahoya and Mayweather verses Canelo.

Bottom line is PBC is a winner because they have both fighters and ALL the belts. The very situation Hearn was posing with the so called Dillian Whyte obstacle challenge.

So if anything DAZN and Hearns gamble didn't pay off. They should have come with a fairer deal with real negotiation as it desperately needs new subscriptions. Yet no one mentions they just lost one of their top two draws and biggest attractions?

Anyone in business knows Wilders offer was a DAZN bailout plan. Any deal where Hearn gains access to both Heavyweights (one temporary and one permanent), controls the venue, ref and the judging was not going to benefit Wilder’s honest boxing legacy.

Besides PBC and Showtime have been extremely supportive. Kudos to Wilder for not selling his soul, and placing an L on his record to make retirement money.

As stated through his reign he can make much more money. But with his humbleness he also knows what he has isalready enough for anyone. Wilder is not ducking the toughest fights that money will still come and at PBC’s gain.

Playing Hearns spin game how is Joshua’s feeling walking away from 50m plus PPV deal with a fight in the UK. That was a better than 50/50 deal.

AJ looked the part to beat Wilder at that time. He since regressed fighting bums. His jab was much stronger fighting Klitschko.

Bro your comment “appeared” harmless but it was just well written. We can’t let this Deontay Wilder is the biggest loser last Saturday argument ride.

We all know what happened on Saturday and who was in the ring when it took place. We all know who is in a panic and who’s investors are pissed at the mismanagement of a blue chip gold medal winner.

Cheers!!

I don't think we are disagreeing. My main point is that Joshua/AJ was the true pot of gold, there to be split between AJ and Wilder, and that pot of gold has now been compromised.

Sure, if Wilder/Ruiz could attract the same pot of gold, then Wilder is quids in - but thats the question - would it be as big ?

Ruiz isn't Canelo, he's American with Mexican parents, so assuming that Mexicans jump on board to the same extent as with Canelo is uncertain.

Main point is that Wilder's gamble assumed the Wilder/AJ marination would continue into 2020 such that eventually, he could exceed the DAZN 100m. That looked like a good bet while they were both winning, but not so sure any more.

Note that DAZN is NOT Hearn. Wilder accepting the DAZN deal didn't mean he went Matchroom, it just meant he gave up alternative TV rights. Canelo went DAZN, but he's still GB, and Golovkin is GGG Promotions, with the sweetener from DAZN that they will support boxers in his stable. Hearn has a contract with DAZN, but it doesn't mean that anyone else contracting with DAZN contracts with Hearn.

Determining winners/losers at this point is tricky. There was (BS) talk of Joshua throwing the fight as it was to his advantage, and while that's codswallop, there is no denying that it sets up a huge rematch, and IF Joshua wins, then he stands to gain from the rematch purse and be back in business, possibly in a better position than he was as now opponents like Whyte might be willing to accept lower purses as they see Joshua as more beatable than previously, and the lure of the belts does the rest.

For sure, if Joshua loses the rematch, he's effectively sidelined and becomes a sideshow.

Saying Wilders stock went up after Joshua's loss is the same as saying Wilder's earning potential went up after Joshua's loss (stock price correlates to earnings), and if you think that's true, then its where we disagree - I think all their stock price went down - only winner right now being Ruiz.

[angkag]

Wilder will never get another offer to earn that much in 4 fights. Theres nobody who brings that much money in the heavyweight division. His own team wouldnt offer him 50 million like they supposedly did to AJ. Hell, he didnt even earn 20 million vs Breaz like he would have if he signed the deal. Til this day, that was an idiot move. BUT, he has his 0 and the wbc title.

DAZN's accountants would have crunched the numbers, and concluded that a 3 fight deal of Breazeale/Joshua/Joshua was worth 100m in their business planning.

Wilder was ******** that he could make more as a free agent with 1-fight deals, starting with Breazeale for 10m, then Ortiz and Fury rematch, and then onto Joshua.

That's a pretty reasonable bet - Ortiz and Fury won't get up to the missing 90m, but after that, the Joshua fight is still there, and thats where Wilder would get the payoff that would blow the lid off the original DAZN deal (or having DAZN increase their offer significantly).

But couple of assumptions:
(1) Joshua keeps winning (he didn't)
(2) Fury dioesn't lose (TBD)
(3) Wilder beats Ortiz and Fury (TBD)

We'll see what value DAZN (or Showtime/ESPN) puts on future fights/deals, but unless Joshua wins the rematch in style and appears reborn (odds?), I'm guessing the 100m was a high water mark we may not see again.