Comments Thread For: Deontay Wilder on Joshua Clash: We Still Gonna Fight, Why Not

[Oldskoolg]

Wilder needs to send his management team bottles of ‘88 Dom Perignon, Hennessy Paradis Imperial, Bolivar Belicosos Fino’s, and Daytona Rolexes for advising him not to take that dazn deal. He and Joshua May never fight and as soon as wilder would have signed it he would have been locked into two more fights and outside of the view of FOX and Showtime in total obscurity. And knowing that Joshua never met skipper, never had an extended contract with dazn, and didn’t even seem to have any sort of relationship with the entity cutting him his biggest cheques, we now know why skipper had to apologise to wilder for not having certain details at hand when he met with wilder and his team. Skipper expected to wilder to be as easy sell, expected him not to be meticulous about contracts....he and his excellent advisors showed him otherwise.
And so many Hearn influenced/controlled fans insisted wilder sign with dazn....but never did anyone insist Joshua MUST sign with PBC or showtime....not were there any demands that Fury sign with PBC or showtime to fight wilder. In fact, those same Hearn obsessed fans never insisted fury sign with dazn. It was always about CONTROLLING wilder’s career. Hearn fans are an odd fanatical group of recent boxing fans who never knew boxing before Eddie Hearn

[Oldskoolg]

Not sure, the DAZN deal was 20m for Breazeale, then 80m for two AJ fights. Going his own way, Wilder is already 10m down on the Breazeale fight, but that was the price he was willing to pay to not be locked into DAZN.

Wilder could still pull it out, but he's got 90m to make up in his next two fights. If a Cinco de Drinko Wilder/Ruiz fight is bigger than Wilder/AJ because of the Mexican fans, doesn't that suggest Ruiz would be A side (defn. brings in most of the money) such that we end up in negotiations again where Wilder has to accept less than 50% ? Would he ?

Would the Mexican fan base really make Wilder/Ruiz bigger than Wilder AJ ? I'm not so sure - beauty of Wilder/AJ originally was reflected at the bookies where it was almost 50/50, whereas Wilder/Ruiz will be expected to be a blowout for Wilder (I know, I know, so was Ruiz/Joshua, but bookies will have Wilder as an overwhelming favourite).

Lets say Ruiz wins the rematch with AJ (and IF the same AJ turns up, he probably will), what next ? Ruiz would either have to go Wilder straight away, else have to survive mandatories against the likes of Usyk, Whyte, Pulev, which are not gimmes. So he wouldn't have the luxury of the usual marination period (good from a boxing fan perspective), and would have to go Wilder right away - I think it would be a reasonably big fight, but not the previously hoped-for Wilder/AJ level.

Meantime if Wilder continues on his current path (Ortiz/Fury), and Ruiz wins the rematch, it leaves Ruiz in the wind to potentially lose a mandatory - suggestion here being that Wilder might put Fury on hold and go Ruiz first - so Fury might be the one to lose out in the short term, although an eventual Wilder/Fury fight for all the marbles could be worth the wait.

AJ losing has thrown the cards up in the air and hard to say where they land. Even if he beats Ruiz in the rematch, the odds of AJ beating Wilder have already slipped from that sweetspot of 50/50, and the shine of Wilder/AJ has gone somewhat.

Hard to see Wilder making up that 90m.

Question...why do wilder haters concentrate on his money so much? I never remember this obsessive attention to one fighters money ever....not Holyfield, not Lewis, not Tyson, not Ali, it foreman, etc and no other fighter in IBM’s day and age.....there is one reason a certain fan base concentrates on wilders money...Hearn tells them to

[Iron Fister]

LMAO appropriate

[Oldskoolg]

LMAO.....true. Sad if that's the case.

That is one of the best lines ever

[Oldskoolg]

Actually the gamble already paid off. Wilder has two ppv fights already lined up. He wins those and ruiz wins the aj rematch....... We get the undisputed heavyweight championship fight between two American champions with one being Mexican for the first time ever. How much ppv revenue do you think that brings in, particularly if they fight cinco de mayo weekend???? That fight easily is bigger money wise than a aj fight could ever be. Had he not gambled on himself, right now he would be locked into a dazn deal with nobody to fight. One fight vs ruiz like stated above probably doubles the 80m dazn offered for 2 AJ fights.

Well said.....Ruiz vs wilder after the dust settles is the biggest fight in American boxing history not containing the name Mayweather. Mexican Americans on Cinco de Drinko will shell out for that fight as will the other 325k who got wilders first ppv.....and at that point, with the massive promotion by FOX, ESPN, and Showtime if wilder happens to beat ortiz and fury and Ruiz beats Joshua, you are talking massive casual sports fan interest in the USA and. It contained to an app that almost no sports fan has

[DaNeutral.]

Belts or no belts it's 2 fighters at the top end of the division. So yes please. When you are ready Deontay.

[Fire4231]

Wilder sounds like he put down the marketing megaphone for a moment and spoke rationally, and agree with everything he said.

There has to be some lingering disappointment with Joshua. Wilder took a gamble in turning down the DAZN deal he was offered figuring they would either sweeten the deal, else he could top it some other way.

The gamble relied on them both continuing to win, but AJ didn't, and with AJ losing much of his allure, Wilder may be faced with not being able to match the numbers in the DAZN deal again - ie gamble didn't pay off, but through no fault of his own.

Events may still come good so that Wilder can top the original DAZN deal, but not looking as rosy as it did.

Bro with all due respect don’t build on my post to further soft spin a Wilder loss arguement.

Whether you like it or not the AJ image war crumbled when he got mercilessly beaten this past Saturday.

Guys are still trying to politicize the winner. Well you can’t elect a champ in a sport with the very realest outcomes.

Wilder’s stock price just went up. Joshua’s stock price just plummeted. There is simply no spinning that.

Furthermore, Ruiz vs Wilder (Mexican American vs Afro American) will be even bigger than Joshua vs Wilder. In America these cultures against each other become very polarized and everyone will tune in. See Mayweather verse Delahoya and Mayweather verses Canelo.

Bottom line is PBC is a winner because they have both fighters and ALL the belts. The very situation Hearn was posing with the so called Dillian Whyte obstacle challenge.

So if anything DAZN and Hearns gamble didn't pay off. They should have come with a fairer deal with real negotiation as it desperately needs new subscriptions. Yet no one mentions they just lost one of their top two draws and biggest attractions?

Anyone in business knows Wilders offer was a DAZN bailout plan. Any deal where Hearn gains access to both Heavyweights (one temporary and one permanent), controls the venue, ref and the judging was not going to benefit Wilder’s honest boxing legacy.

Besides PBC and Showtime have been extremely supportive. Kudos to Wilder for not selling his soul, and placing an L on his record to make retirement money.

As stated through his reign he can make much more money. But with his humbleness he also knows what he has isalready enough for anyone. Wilder is not ducking the toughest fights that money will still come and at PBC’s gain.

Playing Hearns spin game how is Joshua’s feeling walking away from 50m plus PPV deal with a fight in the UK. That was a better than 50/50 deal.

AJ looked the part to beat Wilder at that time. He since regressed fighting bums. His jab was much stronger fighting Klitschko.

Bro your comment “appeared” harmless but it was just well written. We can’t let this Deontay Wilder is the biggest loser last Saturday argument ride.

We all know what happened on Saturday and who was in the ring when it took place. We all know who is in a panic and who’s investors are pissed at the mismanagement of a blue chip gold medal winner.

Cheers!!

[Fire4231]

There is nothing wrong in taking a loss. The problem is your rival not fighting you until you lose or look bad.

Wouldn’t you say that is a symptom of fighters and promoters not taking a risk due to a fear of having a loss?

Waiting out the comp till they look vulnerable wouldn’t need to happen if the environment didn’t punish fighters so severely for a defeat.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Go to the line, Wilder. Stop begging for a payday. Joshua has serious business to to, he has to beat Ruiz jr. in the biggest fight of 2019.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Wlad is not ruiz. Wlad did not dog Joshua like Ruiz did.

Wlad was an old man.

Ruiz threw Joshua around like a rag doll and didn't show any effect from his punches. The harder Joshua hit him, the harder ruiz came back. It wasn't even a hard fight for ruiz.

Yes but Wilder is not Ruiz. I would say Ruiz is faster and has better skills. Wilder is a great athlete, good warrior with an instinct, but not really good boxer.

It is hard to say Wilder would simply destroy Joshua because Ruiz did.