Lets clear something up about Ruiz's nationality ok?

[uppercut510]

if you plant an apple in china its still an apple

[billeau2]

Imperial California is different, man.

In the high desert, basically right on the border with Mexico, closer to Mexicali that any even remotely urban area in the state. I get what you're saying but you've got to understand perspective.

As a "white boy from East Harlem", let's make an example; the distance is a little bit suspect for the comparison, but imagine your experience weighed against the experience of a kid from Massena, NY (Wikipedia, lol; town is supposedly the northernmost in New York state, right on the Canadian border).

Now a white kid from there would still be American and a proud New Yorker and all that, but do you honestly think that the tastes sensibilities won't be partially shaped by what they've picked up by being near Canadians their whole lives?

And then imagine the kid is native; with family lines and traditions that he can point to that come from before there was a Massena, nevermind the split between Canada and the US.

Work with me here, lol (few native population that I know of have been able to recultivate those old traditions to have someone identify as (specific tribe) and American, and no idea if any of those tribes are in upstate New York).

Andy Ruiz Jr can likely tracking his lineage back a good ways, with his line likely staying in that same high desert for generation upon generation.

Nothing wrong with being proud of your ancestry, right?

There are mexicans that live in the Mission inn San Francisco that can trace their ancestry longer than Ruiz...trust me. There is no dichotomy between nationality and culture. To be an American is to take one's ancestry and contribute to the melting pot.

[billeau2]

Yeah, nationality is weird in America.

I don't really give a **** if the Mexicans claim him too. Mexico is already my second favorite boxing nation behind America.

The Old World is **** and Canada is **** too because they kowtow to Old World bull****.

Great to see you here again my friend!!!

[Joe Beamish]

I don't care what he is, he's fat and the HW division sucks.

[billeau2]

His blood is 100% Mexican why cant he rep Mexico, was born and reps southern California USA, he speaks spanish and english, a proud Mexican/American

Again: could not agree more!

[Mr.365]

If you are attributing that attitude to me then you misread my intentions. And for the record I grew up in Spanish harlem so people spoke lots of Spanglish (English/spanish).

My comments have nothing to do with Ruiz. It has to do with individuals who see divisions that do not exist and with people who are ingrates. No self respecting immigrants that came over through Ellis Island a generation ago would not be proud to be American. And no, that does not preclude being other thngs because America is a melting pot that takes the individual cultural traits and incorporates them into the national identity.

No freakin boxing fan would say "HEY MARCIANO AINT NO MURICAN HE ITALIAN!! For fvks sake this is ridiculous people have forgotten what it means to be an American.

Nah it was directed at a piece of crap (forgot the username) who wanted him kicked out the country before the fight since Ruiz saying he was going to win for Mexico triggered him yet when Andy won the piece of $h1t was like USA USA like stfu lame you wanted him deported before the fight

[GGG Gloveking]

if you plant an apple in china its still an apple

Exactly. When you plant it in China, it becomes a Chinese apple

[bigjavi973]

Can some of you boxing fans enlighten me on something? I thought John "Quiet Man" Ruiz was the first fighter of Mexican lineage to be heavyweight champion.

no all he was is an embarrassment to the puerto rican people.

[STREET CLEANER]

No matter what he beat AJ. He is in a good place. He will have Mexico and the US cheering for him. I hope he milks it for what it is worth. He would not had an opportunity like this if he didn't pull off the upset in the fashion that he did.

[bigjavi973]

imo if BOTH of his parents are from mexico and he was born here....


he is still imo 100% mexican.

imo what makes you is whats in your blood, not where you were born.