Let's Clear Some Myths and Nonsense........

[Ray*]

(7) If Joshua some how wins the rematch we might actually see Wilder willing to get in the ring, and stop the “be patient BS”.

[Ray*]

I agree the ref was a bit shaky there but he at the same time gave Joshua TONS of time to recover there. Joshua was finished and didn't react well at all. You simply can't turn your back after being dropped for the 4th time. And he didn't have his hands up ready to go. I mean he did tell the referee he was fine but really wasn't. The ref looked at his body language and made the correct judgement call IMO.

That ref could have stopped the fight earlier. He was talking to Joshua and he turned his back, he didn’t walk forward as told. All the sign for a fight to be stopped. I think the ref was spot on in this fight. He gave him a good chance as a champion before ending it. And I do think he was concussed and never recovered from the 3rd onwards.

[KTFOKING]

That ref could have stopped the fight earlier. He was talking to Joshua and he turned his back, he didn’t walk forward as told. All the sign for a fight to be stopped. I think the ref was spot on in this fight. He gave him a good chance as a champion before ending it. And I do think he was concussed and never recovered from the 3rd onwards.

Agreed, dude was just out of it at that point. I mean he kept asking his corner rounds after the KD of what shot he got hit with or what he should do now or why is he feeling this way. That's definitely a man with a bad concussion and why boxing is so dangerous. He could have gone like 9 rounds straight with a bad concussion and it would have only hurt him in the long run. If it was MMA? He gets puts out for good in the 3rd round and that is the end of it. No sustained damage just gets stopped on the spot.

[Sheldon312]

this is true, but Mayorga lost the 2nd fight easily though. At one point, he was allowing Forrest to hit him(what we call "scoring punches") and was winning rounds. 2nd fight was a robbery and I hated Forrest's jab/grab/headbutt style. Then Mayorga was robbed against Spinks.

I disagree. I had it 7-5 Mayorga but you could debate that it was a draw.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I just think he was completely done at that point. Not an exact comparison, but kind of similar to Brook against Spence. Curious, did you think Brook quit that fight or he was done and made the right call? One difference with Joshua was he had nothing in the gas tank left. He was exhausted and could barely stand up.

And yeah, Ruiz is the guy that deserves all the credit. He got the job done properly and straight beat the fight out of Joshua. So impressive when they traded hooks in the 7th round and how he was able to instantly return fire and hurt Joshua. Point blank, Joshua has more physical advantages, but Ruiz has real fighting instincts and is much more relaxed in the ring. That actually allows him to take punches better opposed to Joshua who is more stiff.

Brook definitely quit, he literally took a knee and refused to fight on. I get he was injured and that but Malignaggi had that exact same injury and fought for 9/10 rounds against Miguel Cotto in a fight he had no chance of turning around. Some fighters have that you’ll have to kill me to beat me mentality some just don’t. As an average person Brook made the right call as there’s more to life than boxing, but as a fighter he done what no true fighter does and quit.

Yeah Ruiz has much more natural fighting instinct, he got hurt and came straight back at AJ, whilst AJ looked completely lost once he got buzzed. It reminded me a bit of Frank Bruno. He just looked like a rabbit in the headlights and his confidence just drained out of him. I’m a little worried for AJ, I can’t stand a lot of his fans but as for him personally I just hope this defeat doesn’t scar him mentally. His post fight interview and presser were strange IMO, he looked a little vacant as if the defeat hadn’t even sunk in. He was talking about other fights when he should be demanding that rematch to avenge his first career defeat. Gonna be interesting to see how he responds.

[KingHippo]

2. Some how this Ruiz win is an unofficial win for Wilder. Really? i mean could he have stopped Joshua and will he stop him if/when they fight? Sure, but Joshua could very easily hurt and stop Wilder as well. Ruiz has a super legit chin and was able to eat Joshua's best shots and return with his own fire. No guarantee Wilder is able to do the same. Only ONE person deserves credit for the win and that is Ruiz.

That's where you're wrong. This is not a win for Wilder, but a vindication for all people who were aware of Joshua's glaring flaws and ridiculed for thinking that a skilless unpolished oaf like Wilder could beat him, when Ruiz, while being a great fighter, isn't exactly the most technically sound himself.

And there's no evidence that Joshua could "very easily" hurt and stop Wilder since we've seen Wilder get hurt by a fighter with similar power in Ortiz and prove his mettle. We can't say the same about Joshua now.

This was also confirmation that our assessment of Joshua as overrated wasn't "hate" or bias, but that the UK and anti-Wilder/faux pro-Joshua crowd, was incapable of objectively rating him either out of blind nationalism, insecurities, or other hidden agendas.

[Jax teller]

That's where you're wrong. This is not a win for Wilder, but a vindication for all people who were aware of Joshua's glaring flaws and ridiculed for thinking that a skilless unpolished oaf like Wilder could beat him, when Ruiz, while being a great fighter, isn't exactly the most technically sound himself.

And there's no evidence that Joshua could "very easily" hurt and stop Wilder since we've seen Wilder get hurt by a fighter with similar power in Ortiz and prove his mettle. We can't say the same about Joshua now.

This was also confirmation that our assessment of Joshua as overrated wasn't "hate" or bias, but that the UK and anti-Wilder/faux pro-Joshua crowd, was incapable of objectively rating him either out of blind nationalism, insecurities, or other hidden agendas.

Ortiz having similar power seems inaccurate, Schoniers dropped Wilder. Ortiz had Wilder out on his feet and was hitting him with nearly any punch he wanted and still couldn't drop him.

[KTFOKING]

That's where you're wrong. This is not a win for Wilder, but a vindication for all people who were aware of Joshua's glaring flaws and ridiculed for thinking that a skilless unpolished oaf like Wilder could beat him, when Ruiz, while being a great fighter, isn't exactly the most technically sound himself.

And there's no evidence that Joshua could "very easily" hurt and stop Wilder since we've seen Wilder get hurt by a fighter with similar power in Ortiz and prove his mettle. We can't say the same about Joshua now.

This was also confirmation that our assessment of Joshua as overrated wasn't "hate" or bias, but that the UK and anti-Wilder/faux pro-Joshua crowd, was incapable of objectively rating him either out of blind nationalism, insecurities, or other hidden agendas.

There was NO vindication for Wilder on Saturday. His vindication will be if/when he actually beats Joshua.

And yes, Joshua could very easily hurt Wilder. Are you kidding me?

Boxing fans are wild as hell for wanting unofficial wins for fighters instead of the two actually facing off against each other.

[KingHippo]

There was NO vindication for Wilder on Saturday. His vindication will be if/when he actually beats Joshua.

And yes, Joshua could very easily hurt Wilder. Are you kidding me?

Boxing fans are wild as hell for wanting unofficial wins for fighters instead of the two actually facing off against each other.

I said it was a vindication for those who could actually see Joshua for what he was beyond the hype.

And your original comment was that Joshua could easily hurt AND ko Wilder. While he could hurt him, knocking him out certainly won't be easy since he could very well be taking a nap before he gets there. Wilder has proved he can take punishment similar to what Joshua can inflict, Joshua was knocked down 4 times by a fighter with less power than Wilder. Can you see the problem there?

And this is not an unofficial win for Wilder, just confirmation that Joshua is overrated and that Wilder not only can beat him despite his limitations, but is actually now the official favorite to win.

Learn how to read.

Ortiz having similar power seems inaccurate, Schoniers dropped Wilder. Ortiz had Wilder out on his feet and was hitting him with nearly any punch he wanted and still couldn't drop him.

That made absolutely no sense at all.

[KTFOKING]

I said it was a vindication for those who could actually see Joshua for what he was beyond the hype.

And your original comment was that Joshua could easily hurt AND ko Wilder. While he could hurt him, knocking him out certainly won't be easy since he could very well be taking a nap before he gets there. Wilder has proved he can take punishment similar to what Joshua can inflict, Joshua was knocked down 4 times by a fighter with less power than Wilder. Can you see the problem there?

And this is not an unofficial win for Wilder, just confirmation that Joshua is overrated and that Wilder not only can beat him despite his limitations, but is actually now the official favorite to win.

Learn how to read.



That made absolutely no sense at all.

If anyone thought Joshua is this unbeatable fighter, then those fans were on drugs. What he is though is a quality quality top level HW. He still has better wins then damn near any active HW.

Wilder very well may be able to take the punishment Joshua dishes. Or he may not. That's why they need to fight and find out who the better fighter is. But if you want to take "vindication" for Ruiz proving Joshua was hype? Then be my guest. But beating the likes of Parker, Wlad, Povetkin and Whyte shows to me he is more than just hype. Is he great? No, I don't think so. But definitely top level.