Let's Clear Some Myths and Nonsense........

[Zaryu]

Very good and sober points in the opening post. The only point I'm slightly struggling with is #3. I don't think it was a terrible stoppage by any means, but I didn't like it when it happened, and after rewatching it a few times I still can't get myself to be in agreement that it was a "good" stoppage.

I get it, AJs body language was not of someone excited to jump in and prove he was still in the fight, he was exhausted and probably done. He may have thrown out his mouth piece to buy some time and he did look to his corner for some assistance, however, the ref didn't wave it off when AJ turned his back on him, he called it off after AJ had said (twice!) that he was ready to box and looked relatively clear headed.

[Marchegiano]

yeah that's pretty much the tale of the tape man.

[kombayn]

1. Ruiz did not get this fight because Wilder turned it down. It didn't come from the back of Wilder. Everyone keeps saying Wilder should have just taken the $100 million deal from DAZN and he could have been the one to stop Joshua. WRONG! Even if Wilder took the DAZN deal, his first fight was going to be against Breazeale and Joshua was going to fight Miller. Of course Miller failed his drug tests so Ruiz stepped in. So no, this result didn't happen because Wilder turned down that deal. It was going to happen regardless.

2. Some how this Ruiz win is an unofficial win for Wilder. Really? i mean could he have stopped Joshua and will he stop him if/when they fight? Sure, but Joshua could very easily hurt and stop Wilder as well. Ruiz has a super legit chin and was able to eat Joshua's best shots and return with his own fire. No guarantee Wilder is able to do the same. Only ONE person deserves credit for the win and that is Ruiz.

3. I only saw one person state this, or maybe it could have been a few others, but it was said that this was a terrible stoppage? Absolutely not. Joshua was completely finished and dazed. He spit out his mouthpiece and then turned his back to Ruiz/ref. You can't be doing that especially after the 4th time you have been dropped. Joshua was spent mentally and physically. His gas tank was on empty and he was on shaky legs. The ref saved a potential terrible moment for Joshua by stopping it when he did.

4. This one kind of goes back to #3, but obviously there are a lot of people saying Joshua quit. I didn't see that at all. I saw a man that was finished and had nothing left. He wasn't steady and had no more energy to give. If he wanted to quit, he could have just stayed down after the last KD but he kept getting up. And when the ref asked him if he was okay, he told him yes. Joshua has been rocked numerous times in his career and has responded. This was no quit job, just a man that got his sh^t pushed in and was dazed and out of it.

5. Joshua vs Wilder is dead and there goes 100M down the drain!!! There was a bunch of that said for Mayweather vs Pacquiao after the Marquez KO, but how did that end up working out? The potential fight could be dead if both fighters don't handle their business next but if they win their next two fights, it's back being this huge mega showdown. If Joshua beats Ruiz in a rematch and then beats say Whyte or Pulev and Wilder beats Ortiz and Fury, you can't tell me there wouldn't be MAJOR demand for this fight.

6. Boxing lost out in a major way with Joshua's loss. Ha! That's laughable. Initial reaction is the Joshua vs Wilder fight is done, but in reality maybe those two were never really the top dogs in the first place. Yesterday's main event was awesome for boxing and had the whole world talking. The top five trends on twitter in the states were Joshua, Ruiz, Wilder, Fury and JoshuaRuiz for a good bit after the fight. Ruiz won over a lot of fans and now Joshua gets his chance at redemption for the rematch. If he comes back and shows his championship mettle? Then that only adds to his legacy.

+1

Thank you for being one of the few sane users on this board. Excellent post. Now getting ready for the fanboy/trolls to come at you like the White Walkers in GOT.

[kombayn]

Very good and sober points in the opening post. The only point I'm slightly struggling with is #3. I don't think it was a terrible stoppage by any means, but I didn't like it when it happened, and after rewatching it a few times I still can't get myself to be in agreement that it was a "good" stoppage.

I get it, AJs body language was not of someone excited to jump in and prove he was still in the fight, he was exhausted and probably done. He may have thrown out his mouth piece to buy some time and he did look to his corner for some assistance, however, the ref didn't wave it off when AJ turned his back on him, he called it off after AJ had said (twice!) that he was ready to box and looked relatively clear headed.

I understand what you're saying, but AJ didn't ask for his mouthpiece. I'm pretty sure he suffered a concussion. I think AJ maybe thought it was back in his mouth. He didn't argue the stoppage and neither did Hearn, which makes me think he had received a concussion during one of the knockdowns.

[KTFOKING]

Very good and sober points in the opening post. The only point I'm slightly struggling with is #3. I don't think it was a terrible stoppage by any means, but I didn't like it when it happened, and after rewatching it a few times I still can't get myself to be in agreement that it was a "good" stoppage.

I get it, AJs body language was not of someone excited to jump in and prove he was still in the fight, he was exhausted and probably done. He may have thrown out his mouth piece to buy some time and he did look to his corner for some assistance, however, the ref didn't wave it off when AJ turned his back on him, he called it off after AJ had said (twice!) that he was ready to box and looked relatively clear headed.

I agree the ref was a bit shaky there but he at the same time gave Joshua TONS of time to recover there. Joshua was finished and didn't react well at all. You simply can't turn your back after being dropped for the 4th time. And he didn't have his hands up ready to go. I mean he did tell the referee he was fine but really wasn't. The ref looked at his body language and made the correct judgement call IMO.

[KTFOKING]

I understand what you're saying, but AJ didn't ask for his mouthpiece. I'm pretty sure he suffered a concussion. I think AJ maybe thought it was back in his mouth. He didn't argue the stoppage and neither did Hearn, which makes me think he had received a concussion during one of the knockdowns.

He was absolutely concussed and dazed. And more than anything he was exhausted. Dude was finished and glad the ref didn't let it go any further.

[Zaryu]

I understand what you're saying, but AJ didn't ask for his mouthpiece. I'm pretty sure he suffered a concussion. I think AJ maybe thought it was back in his mouth. He didn't argue the stoppage and neither did Hearn, which makes me think he had received a concussion during one of the knockdowns.

I don't know what he said to his corner, hut his immediate reaction to the stoppage was that of a man that didn't want the fight stopped.

[Zaryu]

I agree the ref was a bit shaky there but he at the same time gave Joshua TONS of time to recover there. Joshua was finished and didn't react well at all. You simply can't turn your back after being dropped for the 4th time. And he didn't have his hands up ready to go. I mean he did tell the referee he was fine but really wasn't. The ref looked at his body language and made the correct judgement call IMO.

He did give Joshua a lot of time, and I think that helps justify the ref's decision. Stopping the fight was not a bad call, I guess I'm still struggling a bit with the ref's delivery, but yeah, AJ was exhausted and probably concussed.

[xhiddenx87]

I just want to add that the two shots that really got joshua on bambi legs were some shots to the temple, not the chin

[techliam]

I agree with mostly everything you said the only thing i dont agree with is the fact that you said Joshua would have had a chance at ko ing Wilder.
Wilder has proven his chin is on the lvl of Ruiz and I truly belive Deontay Wilder would have Lewis Rahman 2 Joshua flat on his back last night

You say that, but every single knockdown that Ruiz scores was either a short hook on the inside, or a combination punch set up by a punch on the inside.

Wilder is definitely not an inside fighter. I have no doubts Wilder could win, but not sure how last night affects anything. We all knew these 2 could knock each other out