How good is Lomachenko?

[daggum]

I think Loma has a chance in winning the Fighter of the Decade .
He needs two to three big wins before the end of the decade though.

he's only going to fight probably 1 one more time so thats not happening

[satiev1]

Lomachenko gets a lot of praise, and I like him, but can’t help feeling he doesn’t have the record or the titles in different divisions to ever be considered an ATG. He’s already 30 or 31, so he’s running out of time.

Thoughts?

Let me put it this way. No one in the history of the sport has ever won 3 titles in the amount of fights he's fought with the level of competition he's faced.

[TheCell8]

So good that Mikey ducked him cause he didn't want that work.

[Nay_Sayer]

So you're confirming that Teofimo has yet to beat anyone of note. Thanks.

That puts Lopez and Lomafako in the same category. Neither have done anything extraordinary in their respective careers.

Wake me when Lomafako beats somebody of note who is NOT coming up TWO weightclasses...

[Rusty Tromboni]

Lomachenko gets a lot of praise, and I like him, but can’t help feeling he doesn’t have the record or the titles in different divisions to ever be considered an ATG. He’s already 30 or 31, so he’s running out of time.

Thoughts?

Please find me another fighter who looks as good on film. I am dying to see it

[pillowfists98]

Lomachenko was the best amateur boxer ever. 396-1 and his only loss was avenged twice. He won 2 world championships and two olympic gold medals in two weight classes. His pro career is just as impressive. Tied quickest world champion, quickest two division champion and tied quickest three division champion. He has 7 world champions on his resume in 14 fights. No doubt he will be a hall of famer when he retires and I believe he will go down as one of the greatest ever. He is aggressive in his attack but he's among the best defensive fighters in boxing as well. A once in a generation type talent no question.

[Rusty Tromboni]

So good that Mikey ducked him cause he didn't want that work.

that's a great point. a lot of times it's who did NOT fight a Boxer that really shows that Boxer's greatness.

On film, no one not named Duran looks as invincible as Whitaker at 135. In fact, Whitaker might have even been good enough to beat Duran. P4P he's one of the absolute best ever based on the "eye test" alone.

But for some reason he avoided Chavez until the latter was well past his best-by date. Why did such a great fighter avoid Chavez for so long? For me, Whitaker dodging Chavez is as great an endorsement of Chavez as anything he did in the ring.

Same w/ Charley Burley. We don't have any meaningful footage, but there's evidence that Armstrong, Conn, Zivic, Robinson and Maxim all dodged/avoided him. When the best fighters of all time won't fight you, there's no need for film footage to prove that you, too, were one of the best.

Floyd, conversely, gets flack for not fighting opponents in their prime. The versions of De La Hoya, Marquez and Canelo whom he fought really weren't the best wins on his record. Recognizable names, but not recognizable as being fighters in their prime form.

[Sid-Knee]

I wouldn't talk about him in the ATG sense as of now. But he has proven himself a very good fighter with the ability to go on and be one of the greats. Not only that, but he's willing to fight anyone that comes along and has shown courage and conviction like a real fighter should. So no complaints from me.

How many fighters can be right in front of their opponent and be in firing range but still not get hit all that much? That takes serious skill and a killer mind set. He's impressive for sure. Not many Loma's come around very often.

[Sid-Knee]

He needs to face a élite fighter


Salido beat him

Salido, the drug and weight cheat who hit him in the balls all night? That Salido?

Loma will fight whoever wants it. Maybe Berchelt should do more by letting him know he really wants it. Then he can have another scalp on his resume. Would that be to your liking, or would you just say Berchelt wasn't one of the better Mexicans?

[Tony Trick-Pony]

I would say he's great-not just good. But of course, that's all a matter of opinion.

He does have an amateur record of 396-1, including a victory over the only man to beat him as an amateur. That's almost 400 fights with one loss and he's got two Olympic gold medals. Such accomplishments have to make him an amateur legend regardless of what he accomplishes as a pro. How many other amateurs are even close?

Beyond that, he has won recognized titles in three weight classes and has unified two of the recognized titles at lightweight. He's also managed to defeat former or current champions in GRJ, Roman Martinez, Nicholas Walters, Guillermo Rigondeaux, Jorge Linares, Jose Pedraza and Anthony Crolla. For fourteen pro fights, that's quite impressive to me.

Loma's never going to have high numbers in the pro ranks of course. He'll never get close to Duran or Chavez Sr numbers. In fact, it's doubtful that he'll ever have more than twenty-five or thirty pro bouts total. Of course, other greats, especially in this era, have had high numbers. Andre Ward had just 32 fights before hanging them up. Kostya Tszyu had 33 I believe? Joe Frazier didn't have forty fights. Sugar Ray Leonard had around forty. So high number in that area doesn't seem to play a huge factor in greatness, although they always do look impressive, especially over a hundred wins, even with dreadful competition.

Of course, I think the main thing Loma needs, like any great fighter, are the right opponents that are great and prime and can push him to the limit. It looks like Mikey is out. However, Loma I'm guessing will unify 135 this year and then who knows? Lopez, Haney, Tank and a number of younger fighters might give him that test, that is, if the fights can ever be made. It's not easy to even try to be great these days. There are so many roadblocks to great fights between the best in the sport. Sad, but true.

If Loma can find some of he fights he needs, though, I see no reason why he couldn't be an ATG. It will take more than what he's done so far though, in the pro ranks at least.