Now that Wikder has admitted he is "running in a different direction to Joshua"

[Cauliflower ear]

They want the fight on PPV to maximize revenue. They believe DAZN will be significantly weaker next year, increasing their leverage to insist on PPV.

The side ducking is the side insisting the fighters make less. That side is Hearn's side. He wants DAZN, even though the fighters will make less, because he needs to keep DAZN happy so they don't cancel their contract with him.

No, the fighter ducking is the fighter pricing himself out...im sure Joshua would fight on showtime(if they match the DAZN offer) with a 70-30(or similar) split in his favour, would Wilder?.

Joshua is the money here lets not forget that, no amount of internet "gamesmanship" can hide that.

[juggernaut666]

When 7x your biggest payday cuts you out of millions of dollars from subscriptions sold.

Hearn now offered Wilder $100 mil for a 3 fight deal, 2 with AJ. I think we can agree DAZN will sell at least 1 mil subscriptions in the US alone.

Wilder taking $100 mil deal is a fraction of the revenue the subscriptions sales will generate, not to mention the live gate, merchandise and any DAZN subscriptions outside the US.

So would you take that payday knowing you are responsible for generating anywhere from $100-300 million in subscriptions sales alone?

The fight was based on 50 million U.K fight .

Stop pocket watching like Wilder you head case , your not even a fighter ...give me a break with the he got that ****...lol !

[boogbx]

Wilder wanted the fight bad with Joshua. After getting taken to school by Fury that’s half the fighter of Joshua, he has been ducking blatantly.

Wilder has a good fight ahead, Brezeale ain’t the best HW but given Wilders limited ability, he is a live dog.

Let’s discuss after the fight and see where everything stands.

[The Big Dunn]

The fight was based on 50 million U.K fight .

Stop pocket watching like Wilder you head case , your not even a fighter ...give me a break with the he got that ****...lol !

You asked a question. I answered it. The answer is straightforward. You give a ******ed, childish response because even an idiot such as yourself would also turn down an offer that cuts you out of millions.

[DaNeutral.]

You asked a question. I answered it. The answer is straightforward. You give a ******ed, childish response because even an idiot such as yourself would also turn down an offer that cuts you out of millions.

Why are Team Wilder not countering then? Make an offer, they seem to know what you know, Showtime PPV smashes it, makes Wilder millions more than 40 for 1 fight with Joshua. SO HIT COLLECT, take that money before one of them gets knocked out by Kownacki or Ortiz.

Or are you saying they are letting it marinate? How much bigger does this fight get? Have they realized that nobody still gives a crap about Wilder? Do they want to give Joshua a year to build himself in the States? Maybe Wilder isnt going to get any bigger? Hes had 41 fights, hes done his 1st PPV and now hes dropped back off again. A PPV star draws the sales on his own name, like Anthony Joshua does. Does it still need marination?

[KP1]

Nobody knows if the 15m flat fee was lowball or not, the fight never happened but for some perspective, it would needed to have matched AJ vs Wlad for 15m to equate to 30-35%.

[The Big Dunn]

Why are Team Wilder not countering then? Make an offer, they seem to know what you know, Showtime PPV smashes it, makes Wilder millions more than 40 for 1 fight with Joshua. SO HIT COLLECT, take that money before one of them gets knocked out by Kownacki or Ortiz.

Or are you saying they are letting it marinate? How much bigger does this fight get? Have they realized that nobody still gives a crap about Wilder? Do they want to give Joshua a year to build himself in the States? Maybe Wilder isnt going to get any bigger? Hes had 41 fights, hes done his 1st PPV and now hes dropped back off again. A PPV star draws the sales on his own name, like Anthony Joshua does. Does it still need marination?

Come on dude can we at least have an adult conversation.

AJ is on DAZN. DAZN needs to sell subscriptions. Hearn isn't going to let AJ fight anywhere else. Haymon isn't going to help Hearn sell DAZN subscriptions by allowing them exclusive rights to the biggest fight in the sport. SO he will not allow Wilder to go to DAZN.

It's not about marination. AJ is clearly the A side but his name alone hasn't moved DAZN sales at the expected level. He isn't a household name in the US and I don't think beating Andy Ruiz is going to make him one. Do you?

Wilder didn't drop off. Fury ran away from him. That doesn't make wilder look bad, that makes Fury look bad.

The fight could've happened before and could happen now but Hearn then and Haymon now are preventing it.

[kafkod]

The only difference is you were against when it was GGG and ok when it is Wilder. It should be noted you are a GGG fan but not a Wilder fan.

In another similar situation-Kov/Stevenson-when Duva asked out of the mando position and re-signed with HBO, thus blocking the fight, you made sure to go all the way back to the beginning when Al blocked the fight first. Here, with Wilder/AJ you don't go back to the beginning. It should be noted you like Kov and not Wilder.

You're a solid poster but your bias in these situations is glaring. If you simply stay consistent and judge the flat fee offer made to Wilder as you did the flat fee offer made to GGG or if you went back to the beginning of the situation like you did with Kov/Stevenson, then we wouldn't be having this ongoing back and forth.

GGG wanted to fight Canelo next because he knew he wan't getting any younger. The flat fee offer he got came with a date, which was over a year down the line, giving him no incentive to accept it, because he wouldn't have gotten the fight one day earlier if he had.

I must have told you that a dozen times over the past 2 years, but you keep ignoring it or trying to pretend it didn't matter.

I've also told you several times that I never said Wilder should accept a flat fee. But he did accept it and if he'd signed the contract he asked Hearn to send him the fight would have happened last year.

Re Kovalev and Stevenson, the fact that all 3 attempts to make that fight were initiated by Kathy Duva, and Haymon never once tried to make it happen himself, should be evidence enough of who wanted it and who didn't.

[juggernaut666]

You asked a question. I answered it. The answer is straightforward. You give a ******ed, childish response because even an idiot such as yourself would also turn down an offer that cuts you out of millions.

I didnt ask you anything you simpleton thats ONE,you responded to my post !

TWO, you have nothing for me to ask,unless im asking how is it possible you Wildertards got so dumb ? Its literally set a new standard of delusion and ignorance.


And THREE .You cant be CUT out of anything if you are not making the amount you are claiming to be CUT out of and don't even generate PPV's in the sport you F;ING ******.

The Big DUMB is your real name on here !

[The Big Dunn]

GGG wanted to fight Canelo next because he knew he wan't getting any younger. The flat fee offer he got came with a date, which was over a year down the line, giving him no incentive to accept it, because he wouldn't have gotten the fight one day earlier if he had.

I must have told you that a dozen times over the past 2 years, but you keep ignoring it or trying to pretend it didn't matter.

I've also told you several times that I never said Wilder should accept a flat fee. But he did accept it and if he'd signed the contract he asked Hearn to send him the fight would have happened last year.

Re Kovalev and Stevenson, the fact that all 3 attempts to make that fight were initiated by Kathy Duva, and Haymon never once tried to make it happen himself, should be evidence enough of who wanted it and who didn't.

I am ignoring it because that doesn't justify your being against a flat fee offer in that case but being ok with it hen a guy you like offered it to a guy you don't.

That is not true. the fight was attempted to be made twice-blocked once when HBO didn't sign Adonis and Haymon got hima deal with SHO and the 2nd time Duva asked out of the mando spot after asking for it and re signed with HBO to avoid losing a possible purse bid.

Look you are going to give Hearn/AJ every benefit of the doubt. I get that.