Now that Wikder has admitted he is "running in a different direction to Joshua"

[The Big Dunn]

Wilder and GGG's flat fee offers were very different, as I've explained to you many times.

And Golovkin never accepted his, like Wilder pretended to do. If Wilder hadn't lost his pen AJ would have fought him by now, whether Hearn really wanted it or not.

The only difference is you were against when it was GGG and ok when it is Wilder. It should be noted you are a GGG fan but not a Wilder fan.

In another similar situation-Kov/Stevenson-when Duva asked out of the mando position and re-signed with HBO, thus blocking the fight, you made sure to go all the way back to the beginning when Al blocked the fight first. Here, with Wilder/AJ you don't go back to the beginning. It should be noted you like Kov and not Wilder.

You're a solid poster but your bias in these situations is glaring. If you simply stay consistent and judge the flat fee offer made to Wilder as you did the flat fee offer made to GGG or if you went back to the beginning of the situation like you did with Kov/Stevenson, then we wouldn't be having this ongoing back and forth.

[DaNeutral.]

yes yawn indeed. the truth is often boring.

a lot more exciting to pretend that joshua is so scary that a fighter wouldn't accept 100 million dollars because they're scared.

What on earth would you know about the truth? Nobody believes a thing you say, you got a serious reputation on here for being a liar and making stuff up.

What have we seen so far from Wilder and his 41 fights to suggest he is some massive world record breaking PPV star? Its no use saying he isnt now but he will be, we can say that about anybody.

Look at the Breazeale fight, its only a couple of weeks away, its hardly sold any tickets and is not even on PPV but you want us to believe he is the sports biggest PPV star?

[Zaryu]

He has been pretty clear, at least in my eyes, he's not really interested in fighting AJ anytime soon.

[N/A]

What on earth would you know about the truth?

That's all I post here.

Nobody believes a thing you say, you got a serious reputation on here for being a liar and making stuff up.

Don't care who believes what. I post the truth and the land of idiots can do with it as they wish.

[DaNeutral.]

Don't care who believes what. I post the truth and the land of idiots can do with it as they wish.

Laugh at it and dismiss it is what we do. Hell ive just read one of your posts from the last hour which states ANTHONY JOSHUA IS DUCKING DEONTAY WILDER. Not only do you lie about the sport you lie about yourself trying to tell us you are a big shot promoter. Come on now sweet heart we just dont believe anything you say.

[N/A]

Laugh at it and dismiss it is what we do. Hell ive just read one of your posts from the last hour which states ANTHONY JOSHUA IS DUCKING DEONTAY WILDER. Not only do you lie about the sport you lie about yourself trying to tell us you are a big shot promoter. Come on now sweet heart we just dont believe anything you say.

awesome. couldnt care less what you believe. why would your uneducated inexperienced amateur opinion matter to me?

hearn is the one refusing to maximize revenue for the fighters. if you want to insist that someone is ducking, you have to blame the side only willing to do the fight on an app nobody has when PPV would generate a lot more money.

[juggernaut666]

hearn offered wilder very little money to fight in 2018. offered right around what joe parker made. joe parker got a split FFS! 30-35%. brits are very quick to forget all of that!

wilder didn't have the buying power then that he has now. the guy clearly did well on ppv and at the gate with the fury fight. the fury rematch is on the table and will be huge. that gave haymon a ton of leverage and it threw a wrench in things.

as a boxing fan who wants to see these guys fight now [and then rematch because it will be a barnburner] it sucks to see that al haymon and wilder are looking to play the same long game that joshua and hearn took. just don't forget [if you're british] that hearn wanted to put the fight off too! sucks, doesn't it?

these two are playing the same game floyd and manny played. nobody would know who AJ is in the US if it wasn't for wilder. likewise in the UK, nobody would know who the f#ck wilder is! let's hope they don't do it for 5-6 years!

floyd became damn near a billionaire fighting no hopers while hyping up his fights with pacquiao - mayweather rhetoric. manny made half a billion doing the same thing. would floyd's fight with robert guerrero be that big without the pacquiao fight looming? would manny have been given a second and third chance for a robbery and a knockout loss to marquez if not for the mayweather fight looming?

what's scary is that this is good for business. these guys dind't need to fight each other in '18. wilder needed joshua more than he needed wilder. now they really don't need each other to cruise to 10+ million dollar paydays against dominic brezeale or jarrel miller

Parker got under 7 million and was a PPV attraction in NZ with a % off a smaller fight.

Why is it that hard to understand that and since when is 7 x your highest pay a low offer ....offer being the key word ?

[creekrat77]

To be honest I think Team Wilder are right to delay the fight. Because now they have started doing their jobs for him. They are now building him like they should have done before he attached his name to Joshua’s name. He was the one that should have been in Joshua’s position with the right fights and risk. But they protected him for far too long. This was why he went through that mental stage of crying about being ducked and not having the opportunity to fight risky fights. I believe it’s more to do with his team protecting him. Now that he has that little attention from the Joshua’s name and Fury fight, he wants to build on that and make his own name, so I understand but not necessarily agree with it.

I agree about the protecting part about Wilder. His team really messed up with holding him back from developing a respectable resume for so long. There just was no urgency and I was always sitting there wondering like c'mon guys, you have a guy named Anthony Joshua hot on your heels taking every opportunity out there while you sit on your hands. It makes me think his team just doesn't have the business expertise or confidence to get a deal done with a Klitschko back then.
Wilder is what.. 34 now? The ship for him to make a name has sailed. There is nothing more defining and no better way to size out competition than beating the one guy rated higher than you. Either they don't think Wilder beats Joshua or they're simply incompetent at business.

[DaNeutral.]

hearn offered wilder very little money to fight in 2018. offered right around what joe parker made. joe parker got a split FFS! 30-35%. brits are very quick to forget all of that!

wilder didn't have the buying power then that he has now. the guy clearly did well on ppv and at the gate with the fury fight. the fury rematch is on the table and will be huge. that gave haymon a ton of leverage and it threw a wrench in things.

as a boxing fan who wants to see these guys fight now [and then rematch because it will be a barnburner] it sucks to see that al haymon and wilder are looking to play the same long game that joshua and hearn took. just don't forget [if you're british] that hearn wanted to put the fight off too! sucks, doesn't it?

these two are playing the same game floyd and manny played. nobody would know who AJ is in the US if it wasn't for wilder. likewise in the UK, nobody would know who the f#ck wilder is! let's hope they don't do it for 5-6 years!

floyd became damn near a billionaire fighting no hopers while hyping up his fights with pacquiao - mayweather rhetoric. manny made half a billion doing the same thing. would floyd's fight with robert guerrero be that big without the pacquiao fight looming? would manny have been given a second and third chance for a robbery and a knockout loss to marquez if not for the mayweather fight looming?

what's scary is that this is good for business. these guys dind't need to fight each other in '18. wilder needed joshua more than he needed wilder. now they really don't need each other to cruise to 10+ million dollar paydays against dominic brezeale or jarrel miller

Yes Brits are quick to forget things when they are NOT TRUE. I cant believe you Americans are still running around waving the wrong numbers around. Wilder was being offered much more than Joseph Parker was we all know it.

Oh and Parker got 7 million. So even though you calling it very little money its still the equivalent of his highest ever payday which was his Fury PPV. So how low would 7 of been at that time? Not that it was, it was more and we all know it.

[The Big Dunn]

Parker got under 7 million and was a PPV attraction in NZ with a % off a smaller fight.

Why is it that hard to understand that and since when is 7 x your highest pay a low offer ....offer being the key word ?

When 7x your biggest payday cuts you out of millions of dollars of revenue from subscriptions sold.

Hearn now offered Wilder $100 mil for a 3 fight deal, 2 of which would have been with AJ. I think we can agree DAZN will sell at least 1 mil subscriptions in the US alone off these 2 fights.

Wilder taking $100 mil deal is a fraction of the revenue the US subscriptions sales will generate, not to mention the live gate, merchandise and any DAZN subscriptions outside the US.

So would you take that payday knowing you are responsible for generating anywhere from $100-300 million in subscriptions sales alone?