Why not Joshua 2019? Did they say?

[DaNeutral.]

I still think there's a bit of an incentive for team Wilder to drag it out.

Joshua (in theory) could make a good fight with this voluntary. But then he's in mandatory territory afterwards.

The WBO will be first up and will be a big fight. No worries there.

After that he's fighting nomarks. There's no big money coming for those fights.

So maybe Wilder sees that as the time to bargain. Joshua can fight the crap fights or give some ground and get the massive fight. At the same time Wilder will have another few years of voluntary defences.

OK, so they just want that money and are going to wait until there is only really the Wilder fight that is going to make them alot of money and then they will give in and give them a bigger slice of the pie.

It certainly wouldnt be the 1st time thats happened in this sport. Are we all confident Joshua can get past Uysk?

[lfc19titles]

If that was the case do you think Team Wilder have failed? There has been all this talk about his profile rising for what ever reasons, you say AJ's back, some say the Ortiz and Fury fights. But look whats next, Breazeale and not on PPV and the tickets aint selling. Or could you say this duck of AJ has actually been a needle to the ballooning fame to Wilder?

If we did look at it that way we would have to say Wilder has shot himself in the bollocks with this one, hes jumped onto the back of Joshua and stood up and made alot of noise and gained alot of attention and been invited to Basket ball talk shows and got people Googling his name alot. And all just in time to see him turn down 100 god damn million dollars to face the guy he claimed was scared to face him and it to be held in America.

Bad timing if you are looking to build your profile?

To Answer your point, it requires the truth which we will never hear

Wilder is a c level heavyweight, before Joshua he was considered a joke if we are honest

Then he used Joshua’s name whilst ducking him, throwing fake offers l, tricking the public with his team by not putting pen to the contract but blaming Joshua with a lie

Then got everyone to know who wilder was, he went to an a level player

Since then he got a gift vs fury

He has been 100 percent exposed as ducking Joshua, turning down 100-120m and spreading lies whilst turning it down, his team have put out fake news that Joshua was not signed to dazn hence turning it down, total rubbish and irrelevant as we know joshua would fight wilder on dazn

Wilders reputation has taken him to b level, it’s it’s still improved but 90 percent of fans know wilder ducked Joshua and has no desire to fight

His 10 percent of vocal fans on here, part of a certain group will keep spreading fake news

Now onto him missing out on the money

Wilder turned down 7-10m for Whyte to fight for less

He could have had 20m for Breazeale on dazn but is fighting for less on pbc showtime

He lost 100m for Joshua

Ortiz also lost a lot of money, they also tried to spread fake news and lies to
Blame Joshua, they lied about the money offered before being exposed by Hearn and then their team went on damage control pretending to not be part of the lies and blame the promoter


See the similarities ? Between Ortiz and wilder both owned by Haymon

It’s haymon, he owns his fighters, they won’t be allowed to fight unless it fills his pockets, doesn’t matter to him if it costs his fighters millions like it has already

Haymon is a cancer to boxing and needs to be removed

Heck I remember seeing funnel saying they won’t let wilder go

[A.K]

You talk about contracts and then the 50 mil that came with no contract. Regardless 50 mil isn’t a game changer for aj. He’s made that back since I’d be more fascinated to know why wilder turned down 120 mil as based on his career and purses so far he wouldn’t be making that back in two fights like it would take aj with the 50.

What 120 mil🤔 that’s such bs I remember frank warren putting all this out. Anyway I’m not arguing with kids Joshua is reaping what he sowed.

[SinderellaMan]

They didn't turn down any $50 mill son.
Wilder ran his mouth about 50 and Hearn said ok send a contract so we can see the terms and.............crickets.
Deontay Wilder has not kept AJ's name out of his mouth since in attempts to boost his profile but if you want a ticket for this guy's non-ppv title fight in less thann2 weeks there are tens of thousands available.
Stop saying 50M- we all know it wasnt real and we all know the guy is a coward. That is the reason they are ducking - guys a joke.

Barry Hearn confirmed the contract existed.

[SinderellaMan]

the longer Wilder waits the less chance he has of Winning . He's approaching that age of decline as AJ enters his prime . Its now or never

Exactly.
He will get more money but he's on borrowed time given the wars with Ortiz & Fury.
He will always have a puncher's chance but man, what a hell of a gamble.
AJ's damaged since the Klit fight & it showed vs Parker. I give him no credit vs a juice less & aged Povektin.
I honestly think Wilder has Haymon telling him that this fight has more value than May vs Pac simply because it's at heavyweight.
They want that endorsement money.
And as much as I hate to say it, Haymon is normally spot on with his projections.
I just wish Finkel wasn't in the pic.
I expect Wilder vs Wlad by the end of 2019 and the winner fights AJ in 2020.

[15 Rounds again]

I still think there's a bit of an incentive for team Wilder to drag it out.

Joshua (in theory) could make a good fight with this voluntary. But then he's in mandatory territory afterwards.

The WBO will be first up and will be a big fight. No worries there.

After that he's fighting nomarks. There's no big money coming for those fights.

So maybe Wilder sees that as the time to bargain. Joshua can fight the crap fights or give some ground and get the massive fight. At the same time Wilder will have another few years of voluntary defences.

I disagree that AJ cant make money / will have nobody to fight as you state.
There are loads of good fights for AJ - and he makes big money every time he's in the ring.
I will give some examples of guys waiting in the wings who would be stadium / PPV and would sell.

Joyce, Whyte, Fury, Usyk, Ajagba in a couple years. Even Dubois if he keeps winning. That's 6 there plus whatever the USA can produce that's worthy. Doesn't sound like much but that is 3 + years worth off the top of my head.

To argue that Wilder / Finkel are waiting till their value increases is a moot point because they turned down an incredible fortune just now.
How much more are they hoping for? 20 bucks? 1 million more?
This fight has peaked and is diminishing in value not increasing.

Seriously, there are two real reasons why this hasn't happened.

1. Haymon and Finkel will sacrifice this match entirely and forever in an attempt to stem the influence of DAZN worldwide and stateside. Whether that will impact DAZN'S success is debatable - I welcome their model and believe they will continue to succeed, but that's just me. Remember - these days in business, established en****** get unexpectesly superseded and overtaken in the blink of an eye. Ask Kodak and Blockbuster.

2. Wilder just doesn't fancy it. He realizes that there are levels to this. And chances are he will lose. He does not want to get gtfo and will take relatively teeny purses in lieu of getting pasted. He is happy to listen to Finkel tell him not to fight AJ but they each have different reasons in their heads.

[15 Rounds again]

To Answer your point, it requires the truth which we will never hear

Wilder is a c level heavyweight, before Joshua he was considered a joke if we are honest

Then he used Joshua’s name whilst ducking him, throwing fake offers l, tricking the public with his team by not putting pen to the contract but blaming Joshua with a lie

Then got everyone to know who wilder was, he went to an a level player

Since then he got a gift vs fury

He has been 100 percent exposed as ducking Joshua, turning down 100-120m and spreading lies whilst turning it down, his team have put out fake news that Joshua was not signed to dazn hence turning it down, total rubbish and irrelevant as we know joshua would fight wilder on dazn

Wilders reputation has taken him to b level, it’s it’s still improved but 90 percent of fans know wilder ducked Joshua and has no desire to fight

His 10 percent of vocal fans on here, part of a certain group will keep spreading fake news

Now onto him missing out on the money

Wilder turned down 7-10m for Whyte to fight for less

He could have had 20m for Breazeale on dazn but is fighting for less on pbc showtime

He lost 100m for Joshua

Ortiz also lost a lot of money, they also tried to spread fake news and lies to
Blame Joshua, they lied about the money offered before being exposed by Hearn and then their team went on damage control pretending to not be part of the lies and blame the promoter


See the similarities ? Between Ortiz and wilder both owned by Haymon

It’s haymon, he owns his fighters, they won’t be allowed to fight unless it fills his pockets, doesn’t matter to him if it costs his fighters millions like it has already

Haymon is a cancer to boxing and needs to be removed

Heck I remember seeing funnel saying they won’t let wilder go

It's exhausting trying to educate these guys.

In other news...

CMON LEICESTER !!

[15 Rounds again]

Barry Hearn confirmed the contract existed.

Link please.

You wont be able to, because he didnt.

[Toffee]

I disagree that AJ cant make money / will have nobody to fight as you state.
There are loads of good fights for AJ - and he makes big money every time he's in the ring.
I will give some examples of guys waiting in the wings who would be stadium / PPV and would sell.

Joyce, Whyte, Fury, Usyk, Ajagba in a couple years. Even Dubois if he keeps winning. That's 6 there plus whatever the USA can produce that's worthy. Doesn't sound like much but that is 3 + years worth off the top of my head.

To argue that Wilder / Finkel are waiting till their value increases is a moot point because they turned down an incredible fortune just now.
How much more are they hoping for? 20 bucks? 1 million more?
This fight has peaked and is diminishing in value not increasing.

Seriously, there are two real reasons why this hasn't happened.

1. Haymon and Finkel will sacrifice this match entirely and forever in an attempt to stem the influence of DAZN worldwide and stateside. Whether that will impact DAZN'S success is debatable - I welcome their model and believe they will continue to succeed, but that's just me. Remember - these days in business, established en****** get unexpectesly superseded and overtaken in the blink of an eye. Ask Kodak and Blockbuster.

2. Wilder just doesn't fancy it. He realizes that there are levels to this. And chances are he will lose. He does not want to get gtfo and will take relatively teeny purses in lieu of getting pasted. He is happy to listen to Finkel tell him not to fight AJ but they each have different reasons in their heads.

The point isn't that he can't find decent voluntaries, it's that he'll have to face mandatory challengers. So that's a big fight with Usyk followed by crap. Probably Pulev and Bryan?

Yeah he'll still make decent money from the last two but he can certainly do better elsewhere. The problem is that if he doesn't take them then he would end up vacating a belt and the Undisputed fight is gone then.

And the fighters you list aren't easy fights to make either. Fury and Joyce are both Warren fighters, Ajagba is Finkle's boy. We'll see about Whyte.

That's what I think Wilder is playing on.

1. The fight will be worth more later.
2. Wilder will have the leverage for a bigger slice of the pie.

[Scipio2009]

Ive heard all the interviews, read all the press and listened. But have Finkel or Wilder released any statement as to why they would not focus on Joshua until 2037? Whats wrong with after the Breazeale and Garcia fights?

Im not looking to start a hes a ducker shes a ducker thread. I know who is going to push either side. Im just wondering if they have actually said why not Joshua in 2019? Its clearly the fight Joshua and Hearn are pushing for and it is certainly the fight Finkel and Wilder have been talking about for the last year.

If they are doing it they are doing it but what purpose have they given for turning their backs on Undusputed in 2019?

The only way that Eddie Hearn wants the fight is if it's on DAZN and Joshua isn't splitting the pot.

Wilder knows it, Joshua knows it, Hearn knows it, and everyone else in the camp knows it.

Wilder-Joshua or Joshua-Wilder, call it however you want, is a potentially monster fight that the public should see; with Sky Sports pushing the fight in the UK, and Showtime/FOX/FS1 pushing the fight in the US, you have the maximum opportunity to touch as many people as possible.

Wilder's camp isn't going to go along with giving said fight to DAZN in the name of Eddie Hearn securing the future for himself beyond Joshua.

If it's not going to happen, why waste the time in talks?