Al Haymon Slave Contract Revealed!!

[Eff Pandas]

But it's just boxing fans. An interview by him won't change their opinions. Boxing fans live in a bubble. Think about it. If there narratives boxing fans create were true Haymon would've been out of business years ago. PBC would be a failure. HBO would still be king.

The results doesn't reflect the the bubble boxing fans live in. The exact opposite of their narratives is true. PBC is getting better ratings than baseball, hockey, & non March Madness college basketball. But if you believe boxing fans you'd think they were getting horrible ratings & failing. Speaking to boxing fans is a waste of time.

Sure boxing is a bubble. But I disagree opening up isn't able to change opinions. The fans of boxing are the most loyal of any sport at this point so showing them respect is only gonna garner more respect for you. Look at how much success Eddie & Arum have with steering their narrative just cuz they open up. Eddie specifically has shown that simply being open with the media reaches & can generate a following & likeness for what he's selling (granted that hasn't translated in the US, but generally the US boxing fans don't take to non-US/non-Latino people). I mean the whole angle of building rapport is gospel in selling anything & Haymon is selling something ultimately.

I get Haymon is a manager & managers generally don't get out in the media as much as promoters do, but lets not act like Haymon is just a manager either. He's clearly a guy doing different sh^t, looking out for fighters & could have a positive change on the game if he was out there more to be seen & spoken to.

Randomly I still contend he has some social anxiety or phobia or something cuz while its more common to hear of Haymon being at this event or that event behind the scenes its still damn near like a Bigfoot sighting to hear about Haymon being somewhere. I bet his yearly Postmates expenses are crazy.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Okay, so as a person who worked contracts here's what I see.

2.C: Basically, there's an amount of money you're expected to eventually end up making. If you don't make that amount of money in the first two years, you're out of the Agreement free and clear. If you do, the Agreement keeps getting auto renewed for two more years for as long as you make that amount.

This goes to good marketing as a fighter. If the amount is $200k, and you keep pulling six figures, why are you complaining? He's doing his job. If you don't make but $150k after being promised you'd make $200k, you're free. Seems fair to me. Regardless, you're free after 7 years. Makes perfect sense.

3. Advisor takes a 15% cut of everything the boxer gets from all outlets IF they're making at least $100k.

Now, this is where smart fighter attorneys can get creative. It says payable only for bouts for which you make that amount. So a lower tier fighter should ask for $90k, then do their own side business for another $90k. Haymon gets none of it - because the extra wasn't made as part of the bout.

4.A - says Haymon can't and won't force a fighter to fight if they don't want to.

Which means a fighter could sit out a contract for two years if they weren't happy (because under 2.C, they didn't make the money that renews it.)

4.B - says Haymon isn't going to be spending the fighter's money unless they tell him to.

This is important, because in other agreements like Arum and Don King, they can happily spend on behalf of the fighter without them knowing. That's why Don King's situations always end up where the fighter doesn't get paid what they thought they should.

4.C - says the fighter has to clear any fight deals with Haymon first, and of course Haymon can say no and/or ask you to fight someone else. As long as you do what he says, this means nothing except that you'll eventually end up like Floyd.


4.E protects the fighter. It says that Haymon hasn't done the Agreement under a circumstance that violates any of the fighter's rights - basically avoids the whole Oscar/Schaefer situation repeating itself.

5 nullifies the ranting around here. It says, "if we've broken the law somehow and you can prove it through any legal process, whatever it was is rendered null and void". Which means no fighter can prove Haymon is doing anything illegal - because he's not.

8 nullifies risk. It basically says, "we get it, the state commissions will ask both of us to sign crap separate from this and they won't match each other, we have to do it while still honoring this Agreement."

9 is the main concerning one. It basically says, "I'm giving you something special here brother, so if have a problem, yes I'll take your ass to court, but I'm entitled to get extra money because of how special this all is". Not sure how this holds up in court, but it goes both ways, so maybe that nullifies it.

13.B is VERY interesting, since Broner should have long since been cut off by Haymon.

18 again nullifies the ranting around here. Says "if you sign this you're saying you had an attorney look at it and MAKE SURE you're not getting ripped off."

[Motorcity Cobra]

Sure boxing is a bubble. But I disagree opening up isn't able to change opinions. The fans of boxing are the most loyal of any sport at this point so showing them respect is only gonna garner more respect for you. Look at how much success Eddie & Arum have with steering their narrative just cuz they open up. Eddie specifically has shown that simply being open with the media reaches & can generate a following & likeness for what he's selling (granted that hasn't translated in the US, but generally the US boxing fans don't take to non-US/non-Latino people). I mean the whole angle of building rapport is gospel in selling anything & Haymon is selling something ultimately.

I get Haymon is a manager & managers generally don't get out in the media as much as promoters do, but lets not act like Haymon is just a manager either. He's clearly a guy doing different sh^t, looking out for fighters & could have a positive change on the game if he was out there more to be seen & spoken to.

Randomly I still contend he has some social anxiety or phobia or something cuz while its more common to hear of Haymon being at this event or that event behind the scenes its still damn near like a Bigfoot sighting to hear about Haymon being somewhere. I bet his yearly Postmates expenses are crazy.

Just look at this thread. We have public info that debunks this. Common sense debunks this. Boxing fans aren't worth catering to imo. They're going to buy & watch fights regardless & their opinions won't change.

I don't think it's a phobia. I think he recognized early on the benefit of staying behind the scenes. It's made him successful so no need to change now.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Sure boxing is a bubble. But I disagree opening up isn't able to change opinions. The fans of boxing are the most loyal of any sport at this point so showing them respect is only gonna garner more respect for you. Look at how much success Eddie & Arum have with steering their narrative just cuz they open up. Eddie specifically has shown that simply being open with the media reaches & can generate a following & likeness for what he's selling (granted that hasn't translated in the US, but generally the US boxing fans don't take to non-US/non-Latino people). I mean the whole angle of building rapport is gospel in selling anything & Haymon is selling something ultimately.

I get Haymon is a manager & managers generally don't get out in the media as much as promoters do, but lets not act like Haymon is just a manager either. He's clearly a guy doing different sh^t, looking out for fighters & could have a positive change on the game if he was out there more to be seen & spoken to.

Randomly I still contend he has some social anxiety or phobia or something cuz while its more common to hear of Haymon being at this event or that event behind the scenes its still damn near like a Bigfoot sighting to hear about Haymon being somewhere. I bet his yearly Postmates expenses are crazy.

Who you put money on tonight?

[MastaBlasta]

Per Haymon doing interviews, "opening up", etc.: He is personally responsible for boxing being back on regular TV, and on accessible mediums overall since they started PBC. We rarely hear from NBC's chief. I've never heard from Westinghouse's chief. How about Boeing?. Pilkington's? Cargill's? Archer Daniels Midland?

Nope. Not hearing from them hasn't stopped anyone from buying their products though. Real businessmen take care of business. That personal branding stuff is for those that need/want attention.

Boxing is about the fighters fighting. Too much attention/fame to the trainers, managers, promoters. Only upcoming fighters need to know who the good trainers, managers, promoters are ... all the rest is just them trying to be rockstars. The best busnessmen of any field never care about the fame/limelight. Those chasing fame are usually lower on the talent ladder. That's why fame is important.

Fight fans are typically rough, hard-to-please people (I am). Doing interviews for me will either help me sleep or have me throwing stuff at 'em. I doubt it will sway opinion much. Won't cure hate or racist complexes in people. Save it for your clients.

[MDPopescu]

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Fight fans are typically rough, hard-to-please people (I am). (...)

... I'll never understand such a statement... Fight fans aren't hard to please at all... They only want "normal" things: fair fights among best fighters; no "marinating"; fair refs and judges... what's so complicated?...

[Eff Pandas]

Just look at this thread. We have public info that debunks this. Common sense debunks this. Boxing fans aren't worth catering to imo. They're going to buy & watch fights regardless & their opinions won't change.

No we don't. The fact that he doesn't speak to the media & has some people thinking badly of his intent or just have a theory of "there's a reason he hides" isn't disproving anything.

And don't get it twisted if he were to talk more its not like it'd be a lovefest either, but I think his angle would be better understood & appreciated cuz idk if a lot of people know the stories of him with his boxers or the type of man he is like some of us here. It for sure reduces the anti-PBC & anti-Haymon bias too many cats have imo.

I don't think it's a phobia. I think he recognized early on the benefit of staying behind the scenes. It's made him successful so no need to change now.

Idk man. I'll take the over on him having 0.5 phobias. But I think he only becomes more successful with putting himself out there now. He's got a persona already. Its hard to alter that unless he goes full Don King with wanting attention. He's successful already. Hard to change that.

I mean if he did a interview with some random but known boxing media guy that would get more views than any boxing interview not involving Ali or Floyd probably. That only grows the PBC brand. Its a net positive.

[Eff Pandas]

Who you put money on tonight?

Jacobs. I actually lean towards Canelo winning, but Jacobs isn't no 3 to 1 dog so lotsa value in betting Jacobs. Probably a 50/50ish fight or no more than 60/40 Canelo to me.

[Motorcity Cobra]

No we don't. The fact that he doesn't speak to the media & has some people thinking badly of his intent or just have a theory of "there's a reason he hides" isn't disproving anything.

And don't get it twisted if he were to talk more its not like it'd be a lovefest either, but I think his angle would be better understood & appreciated cuz idk if a lot of people know the stories of him with his boxers or the type of man he is like some of us here. It for sure reduces the anti-PBC & anti-Haymon bias too many cats have imo.



Idk man. I'll take the over on him having 0.5 phobias. But I think he only becomes more successful with putting himself out there now. He's got a persona already. Its hard to alter that unless he goes full Don King with wanting attention. He's successful already. Hard to change that.

I mean if he did a interview with some random but known boxing media guy that would get more views than any boxing interview not involving Ali or Floyd probably. That only grows the PBC brand. Its a net positive.

I wrote a long ass response but I'll dm it to you because I don't want other people responding to what I'm saying.

[LacedUp]

First off all you don't know me B*tch so unless you live in Cali and are willing to meet up. Don't come at me with these internet disses .
Second ... Stay salty Hater.