Comments Thread For: Oscar De La Hoya: PPV is No Longer Alive Because of DAZN

[Guest]

This.

They're killing the sport by making it an exclusive.

I don't get why putting it on regular TV isn't economically viable. Guys like Muhammad Ali used to make lots of money fighting on TV and he was a bigger star because of it.

You think he becomes the iconic figure he becomes only fighting on PPV or now streaming?

Each generation of boxers are getting more and more irrelevant to the fans. There are less and less legitimate stars who can carry a card now

The '70s generation had Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Duran, Leonard, Monzon, Holmes, Norton

The '80s generation had Tyson, Hagler, Hearns, Spinks, JCC

The '90s generation had Holyfield, Bowe, Lennox, De La Hoya, Roy Jones, Whittaker, Toney, Hopkins, Prince Naseem, Trinidad

The 2000s generation had Mayweather, Pacquiao, & maybe Cotto (if you're Puerto Rican)

The 2010s has Canelo and somewhat GGG/Joshua/Wilder/Fury a little

The public does not know the rest of those people, seriously.

They don't have the advertising dollars like they used to anymore to make things free.

Deep-pocketed sponsors aren't reaching into their pockets for boxing.

[Eff Pandas]

These types of threads are gonna be fun to bump one day when GBP does another PPV. Cuz PPV ain't dead & sooner or later the most money for a GBP fight will be via PPV.

[Eff Pandas]

This.

They're killing the sport by making it an exclusive.

I don't get why putting it on regular TV isn't economically viable. Guys like Muhammad Ali used to make lots of money fighting on TV and he was a bigger star because of it.

You think he becomes the iconic figure he becomes only fighting on PPV or now streaming?

Each generation of boxers are getting more and more irrelevant to the fans. There are less and less legitimate stars who can carry a card now

The '70s generation had Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Duran, Leonard, Monzon, Holmes, Norton

The '80s generation had Tyson, Hagler, Hearns, Spinks, JCC

The '90s generation had Holyfield, Bowe, Lennox, De La Hoya, Roy Jones, Whittaker, Toney, Hopkins, Prince Naseem, Trinidad

The 2000s generation had Mayweather, Pacquiao, & maybe Cotto (if you're Puerto Rican)

The 2010s has Canelo and somewhat GGG/Joshua/Wilder/Fury a little

The public does not know the rest of those people, seriously.

I just listened to the latest episode of the Boxing Esq podcast with Bob Yalen & they actually discussed why regular TV got outta boxing. Apparently when HBO came into play they were snatching up the guys regular TV had built up through their early days to their contender days to their title days. When they got to the star level then HBO would swipe them greatly reducing the upside of ABC & the other regular TV players who messed around with boxing in those days.

And these days due to the competition in the market you can't really buy low & sell high with boxers. You gotta take more risks & throw more money at boxing. A juice isn't worth the squeeze situation.

I'll be super curious if PBC can turn it around with Fox. If Fox becomes a legit boxing ent^ty in a bigger way after this 6 year deal then PBC is gonna be a very dangerous ent^ty & DAZN's &/or ESPN+'s boxing investment might get dropped or go lower I'd be willing to bet cuz than PBC could likely compete for the biggest names in the sport with less risk then either other major player right now in US boxing. Long way off & highly speculative doe.

[Phenom]

This.

They're killing the sport by making it an exclusive.

I don't get why putting it on regular TV isn't economically viable. Guys like Muhammad Ali used to make lots of money fighting on TV and he was a bigger star because of it.

You think he becomes the iconic figure he becomes only fighting on PPV or now streaming?

Each generation of boxers are getting more and more irrelevant to the fans. There are less and less legitimate stars who can carry a card now

The '70s generation had Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Duran, Leonard, Monzon, Holmes, Norton

The '80s generation had Tyson, Hagler, Hearns, Spinks, JCC

The '90s generation had Holyfield, Bowe, Lennox, De La Hoya, Roy Jones, Whittaker, Toney, Hopkins, Prince Naseem, Trinidad

The 2000s generation had Mayweather, Pacquiao, & maybe Cotto (if you're Puerto Rican)

The 2010s has Canelo and somewhat GGG/Joshua/Wilder/Fury a little

The public does not know the rest of those people, seriously.

The biggest fights were still on closed circuit ie PPV in 60s 70s until regular PPV took over in the 80s

[Combat Talk Radio]

You're getting Canelo vs Jacobs for free this weekend.
You got Crawford vs Khan and Spence vs Mikey lately.

None of the b-side fighters on the main fight or chief support won a single round.

So clearly what you're saying is BS.

First of all DAZN is not "free".

Second, convenient for you to completely ignore the fact that DAZN has had garbage undercards with the only exception being Rungvisai/Estrada II.

Quality is measured in total, not just the main event.

It really doesn't matter, because when the outrage over the Canelo / Jacobs outcome happens, I'll reference your post and see if you put some salt on that crow.

[j.razor]

While streaming is clearly the future, ODH is trying to pretend all the fights for the top DAZN boxers will be PPV quality, which isn't the case.

He also seems to be dismissing the fact that the fights the fans want the most involve PBC guys facing ESPN or DAZN fighters. Those fights will almost have to take place on PPV if they are going to be made.

PPV isn't dead. it will be where you go for almost all the best fights that the fans want. The one good thing is fights that shouldn't be on PPV-say Crawford/Postol-will no longer be.

Yeah I agree.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Also, I think people here are forgetting one basic fact. There's this flawed assumption that everyone in the world has a speedy, fast internet. Factually inaccurate. The truth is, even today, the majority of people have access to cable or satellite but not access to fast internet. That means that it's easier for them to sign into pay-per-view than it is to try to get on some app.

TV isn't going anywhere. People need to reconcile that. And I say that as a person that hasn't watched or paid for cable for 11 years and counting.

[j.razor]

Floyd/Pac is largely responsible for the drop in PPV buys. Fans got taken, and no longer want to spend $75+ for hyped up matches with crappy undercards. Plus, a lot of fans are streaming PPV for free now, that really eats into the buys.

No its not. They pay for what they want & they wanted T.B.E./#48 so they payed, duh.

[j.razor]

You are wrong on a number of things,.... An example,.
You think if Charlo wanted to fight Canelo you think it's gonna be on Showtime ppv or DAZN??
And Crawford-Khan shouldn't of been ppv but it was.... I think ppv will still be around but it's gonna depend on who the A-side is... Canelo is clearly the A-side so any fight involving him is clearly gonna be on DAZN.

It would be on PPV & both networks will show the fight.

[LacedUp]

First of all DAZN is not "free".

Second, convenient for you to completely ignore the fact that DAZN has had garbage undercards with the only exception being Rungvisai/Estrada II.

Quality is measured in total, not just the main event.

It really doesn't matter, because when the outrage over the Canelo / Jacobs outcome happens, I'll reference your post and see if you put some salt on that crow.

That's not true. They've had a few good fights on the undercards, Beterbiev vs Johnson springs to mind.

But you didn't have to pay 80 bucks to see it, that's a big difference. Paying 80 bucks to see a show where the two A sides of the two main fights win 100% of the rounds is embarrassing to the extreme. If you want to pay for stuff like that, go ahead. Normal people won't, and that's why PPV is rapidly dying.

DAZN is free for the first month, right?, so you don't have to pay to see Canelo vs Jacobs for example.