Why are the same people who hated on golovkin now hating on lomachenko?

[The Big Dunn]

I can't speak for anyone else but I am a fan of GGG and Loma because I think they are great boxers, clean fighters and good people and no other reasons.

I am sure you are. But you take any criticism of them extremely personal. Like your last response above.

Loma was given that fight by Arum because it was assumed he'd win because he had 6 quasi pro fights (no headgear) in the AIBA. Salido beat him the exact way most posters say you need to fight highly skilled boxers-make it an ugly brawl.

I don't see why other posters pointing out he lost bothers you so much. I can understand why the trolling annoys you.

[chrisJS]

Usyk doesn't get anywhere near the amount of comments as GGG or Loma because the people that adopted GGG and Loma for non boxing reasons had no idea who Usyk is because he fought mostly at cruiserweight.

Most Loma diehard fans knew Usyk and supported him. Maybe it's because he was campaigning in a division that was almost exclusively European? If he starts getting hated at Heavyweight once he's in the mix is it fair to say that's not because of boxing things?

[The Big Dunn]

I never saw things like "great black hype", or accusing the media of brainwashing to like those fighters you mentioned. On a daily basis here you'll see people saying Lomachenko is a terrible boxer who's pushed by a media (that's apparently 100% white) or hyped solely for skin purposes.

People didn't like Floyd more to do with his personality. He embraced the heel role. He said racist things every now and again, beat up women, showed no remorse and people didn't like a lot of his antics. Was there some racism? I'm sure from some corners but there's a problem if you don't see how someone can decide to not like the man. A lot of people dislike Fury for the same antics (sans beating up women). Same for McGregor who's probably been the person I openly detest most in all combat sports.

You are overly sensitive when it comes to him and maybe that's for race reasons the same way you can't bring yourself to talk about Loma without trying to guilt his fans about why they like him. Maybe you are not racist and maybe the Floyd defending has worn you out over time?

Re: OP - I personally never really was a GGG fan. I thought he was very good and one to keep an eye on but felt the hate was over the top and given that he wasn't ****y, beating up women, being outspoken etc; I was surprised by the vitriol. I think a lot was unwarranted hype but I also do think a lot was race and we've seen that with the Loma stuff now. There's a LOT of people that say "I hate GGG because he's unskilled, just a puncher, not slick I'd be fine if a Euro was all those things" then Loma starts putting in virtuoso performances beating guys they said he couldn't/wouldn't and many of the same folks lump them together and hate both. There's also people I feel that love both fighters for race reasons and not just their personalities. The thing is you can never bring yourself to admitting that some folks hate them both for race reasons because you are one of those guys that's either taken the Floyd stuff personally or just have a problem like others have.

For the record, I didn't say you called anyone anything. While you are right that Loma gets some unfair criticism, you would be outright lying if you claimed it was anywhere near the negativity that Floyd or Ward got.

Floyd ok some of the criticism was rooted in that and that is fair. Ward is not a woman beater, played the bad guy, or had any "antics". He's a God fearing man. Yet the same things were posted

Has nothing to do with being over sensitive. It's acknowledging the fact that you and others didn't say anything about the racism and lies until it was applied to guys that you liked and that looked like you. You can't deny this.

If it is wrong with Loma and GGG it was wrong then and I am not giving any poster a pass for failing to point that out.

I don't try to guilt you out of anything. I have NO issue with solid Loma fans.. I always differentiate them from the scumbags. I am calling on posters like you and boilodogs and others to call out the Loma/GGG fans you know only like them for race reasons.

here's a hint-it's guys like the TS that for years detested boxers that showed skills and movement and preferred power punchers. They suddenly shifted to preferring skills now that Loma is at the top.

Come on dude, you've been here a long time just like me and know what I'm posting is accurate.

[The Big Dunn]

Most Loma diehard fans knew Usyk and supported him. Maybe it's because he was campaigning in a division that was almost exclusively European? If he starts getting hated at Heavyweight once he's in the mix is it fair to say that's not because of boxing things?

Depends on what type of negativity we see. If he gets fair criticism, like GGG did for his resume and Loma got for losing to Salido, then no.

If however it is the stuff I described Floyd and Ward got in my lengthy post, that was then applied to GGG and Loma then yes, it will be for non boxing related reasons and should be called out.

Just make sure its not Frankie2jabs or Jubei posting stuff from LDBC or other sites and then falsely applying those opinions to NSB posters. I think we can agree we've had enough of that garbage.

[DaNeutral.]

Why are the same people who have been fans of Golovkin now are fans of Lomachenko? The fans control the flow of haters on this site.

2 really good fighters who happen to be really good to watch too.

[DaNeutral.]

Why is this???

You need to ask 1 more question and the answer to that will tell you everything. Where are the people who hated GGG and now hate Lomachenko from??????? America, all of them.

There are plenty of American Boxing fans who are fans of both these fighters, there are plenty of American Boxing fans who are not fans of these fighters but dont hate them and appreciate them for what they are.

But then we get to the Weirdo's, the haters. The reality is something they will never never admit but there is a portion of American Boxing fans who refuse to accept anything not American can be great and when a foreign fighter seem to be looking better than the Americans in the division the 1st thing these American haters do is jump on them and say anything they can to tarnish these foreign invaders any chance they get.

What do you think all this Joshua, Hearn and DAZN hate is all about? As far as the weirdo protect America league are concerned Joshua and Hearn and DAZN is some sort of British invasion.

Especially when it comes to Joshua. The moment he turn his gaze to their American Heavyweight champ the hate campaign started up. They just cannot accept it when an American isnt the best and go to war on the foreigner.

Thing is, they can say, well look at all the hate getting dumped on the likes of Spence or Wilder. Yeah alot of that is coming from America too because just as the Brits are fed up with Wilder and all this PBC bull**** so are the Americans. Just not the weirdo's.

So its nothing personal, i think deep down they are dazzled by Loma and respect fighters like GGG and Joshua but admitting to that goes against the agenda they choose to push so they cant bring themselves to say it.

[chrisJS]

For the record, I didn't say you called anyone anything. While you are right that Loma gets some unfair criticism, you would be outright lying if you claimed it was anywhere near the negativity that Floyd or Ward got.

Floyd ok some of the criticism was rooted in that and that is fair. Ward is not a woman beater, played the bad guy, or had any "antics". He's a God fearing man. Yet the same things were posted

Has nothing to do with being over sensitive. It's acknowledging the fact that you and others didn't say anything about the racism and lies until it was applied to guys that you liked and that looked like you. You can't deny this.

If it is wrong with Loma and GGG it was wrong then and I am not giving any poster a pass for failing to point that out.

I don't try to guilt you out of anything. I have NO issue with solid Loma fans.. I always differentiate them from the scumbags. I am calling on posters like you and boilodogs and others to call out the Loma/GGG fans you know only like them for race reasons.

here's a hint-it's guys like the TS that for years detested boxers that showed skills and movement and preferred power punchers. They suddenly shifted to preferring skills now that Loma is at the top.

Come on dude, you've been here a long time just like me and know what I'm posting is accurate.

Floyd got the most criticism but GGG and Loma get more than Ward did. Ward's style isn't very easy on the eye and even his own fans will admit that. I don't think his competence was questioned. I'll be honest I think racism was likely attached but I didn't see it. I really kept my talking of those two fighters to a minimum. I was once a Floyd fan but lost interest in his career around 2004. I never saw his competence questioned or people suggesting his skin color is the reason he's getting respect. I've seen that with Loma and Golovkin and I saw it with Calzaghe. Probably because I am in more of their threads. I've spent a lot more time discussing Crawford, Toney and others and have called it out when I've seen racism as I have done with Spence who's style I enjoy and who's personality is likable.

[Larry the boss]

probably the same reason you hate on Wilder, Spence, Crawford, Charlo's etc etc

[Nay_Sayer]

People can't handle the eastern euro takeover.

Eastern Euro takeover?

Takeover of what exactly?

[Nay_Sayer]

Absolutely nothing. Losing a close decision to a veteran champion who came in way overweight and was allowed to fight dirty as hell in his 2nd pro fight is how Loma will be remembered. Winning world titles in three weight classes and beating many champions in his first 14 fights means nothing. You are a good example of what this thread is about. Nay Sayer is a perfect user name.

Exactly WHO has Lomachenko beaten?