Is Danny Garcia even interested in fighting Terence Crawford?

[UNBIASED BOXING]

Here we go again..."Danny wants no part of Matthysse"

Crawford's resume... took him 6 rounds to "TKO" Khans ballsack.

I dont see how Crawford is incapable of getting his ass beat by Danny. Not yet... not because he punched chinless Khan for 6 rounds until he went to the ****bag for the "TKO"

You kids always hyping up monsters around here.

"But GGG doe"

"But Kovalev doe"

"But Matty doe"

#****OuttaHere

Wow, Danny beat Khan in 4 rounds. Amazing. Let's forget how he didn't look so good before the knockdowns. Meanwhile, Crawford dominates the fight from start to finish...

If you call it "hype" for Crawford at this point in time, you're hopeless.

There's not a single, intelligent boxing soul on this planet that would pick Danny over Crawford. Not to mention, Crawford has not and would not struggle to someone of the quality of Herrera, LOL.

Hell, if we're going to play the comparison game, Danny barely sc****d by Matthysse, whose ******ed team didn't have any endswell and let their fighter fight after round 7 blind because of it. Meanwhile, Postol, who got ****ing dominated by Crawford beats Matthysse...

Again, Crawford wouldn't look so bad against such an opponent. Still hasn't, to this day.


But "hype" doe, lmfao. Hence the silence from team Danny about Crawford and the Top Rank offer to stir the pot.

[Pigeons]

I don't think he is. They were offered $4M and didn't even respond. The PBC guys will remain loyal to Haymon. Unless Bob throws out a ****** number like $10M, they won't fight Crawford. The only one that might is Spence, he seems to have that kind of drive, but not until he clears out the PBC WWs first, and who knows how long that will take. He's been a WW champ since May 2017 and still hasn't fought one of Thurman, Porter, D. Garcia, or Pacquiao. It'll be at least two more years at a bare minimum until one PBC WW holds their three belts.

[Zaryu]

Everything matters. You can't cut out a pocket of time & act like history started on that day. I'm not. I feel like maybe you are.



If only it was that simple. And like I've said in this & other threads its not even that simple cuz of boxers least of all, but because of promoters & platforms & mando's & other sh^t not even in the fighters hands. Sometimes I feel like the fighters have the less ability to control things in boxing then anyone, but get the most blame while people ignore contracts that have been signed.



Sure, but in Spence's mind Thurman is more the meal he's looking to eat before the bigger & better meal later. I mean if Boots comes on the scene in the next 12 mos in a big way & becomes a player at the top of 147, which isn't entirely unreasonable, & Spence goes into some slump over the same 12 mos that lowers his ceiling with fans should Bud bypass a more makeable fight at that point in 2020 with Spence & his more proven resume for the new guy on the scene in Boots at that point in a less appealing monetarily fight with a less proven at the weight fighter? I mean maybe he would, but it doesn't seem the best decision.



Porter & Thurman had skin in the game then. Thats why they didn't want Spence. Just like SSM & Oscar didn't want Floyd when Floyd wanted them. The juice wasn't worth the squeeze. A classic boxing scenario.



I don't see Spence act like he's not wanting the fight. He just understands the dynamics at play better & talks less recklessly about the fight cuz he's at the forefront of them now & Bud isn't. Bud is on the bad side of the equation so he's got no options that are sexy. Spence as all the sexy options including Bud.

If Bud really wants the fight its pretty simple how to get it. Do that Ali to Liston sh^t back in the day. Talk about him all day. Show up everywhere Spence is. Come to Spence's house in the middle of the night. If Bud really wants the fight next that would prove it to me. Otherwise he's just playing the game with his position on the board. He's got NO ONE to talk about EXCEPT SPENCE so of course he's talking about Spence. Spence gots Porter, Thurman, Manny & Bud on the table. Of course Bud is seeing his name less in Spence headlines. But I've seen not a damn thing that suggests Spence is acting like he isn't down for a Bud fight he just is a reasonable mfer that knows its not happening next cuz of a million things most notably that Arum doesn't reallllllllly want it to happen now cuz it'll come up short on PPV buys & Arum is the real key to this fight happening when it does happen not Bud, not Spence, not Haymon or anyone else.



I'm not saying you should care. But it is the reality of this time in boxing.

And its obviously theory when to best put on a fight, but I believe there to be a solid argument that there is a certain Q score when it makes sense & these mfers with skin in the game have a much better concept of that then we do.

As hardcore boxing fans we are the canary's in the coalmine with interest in big fights. Its when the casuals get interested more in the big fights that its time for them to happen to make the most money for the people with skin in the game like it or not. Understand it or not. Wanna complain about it or not. I'm just saying whats what I'm not even taking a side so much. You can be mad the sky is blue when red is your favorite color, but the sky is still gonna be blue tomorrow.



I mentioned fights pre-Floyd. Its been going on before Floyd. Arum didn't even wanna make Floyd vs Oscar when it made sense, but didn't make enough sense ffs.

And I got no clue what you'd even marinate with Loma & Usyk thats how small both still are on the big money scale of boxing still so idk what you are even getting at there. When you aren't making huge money or got huge money within your grasp of course you gotta fight everyone. Thats the approach guys usually gotta take on their way up. Or be willing to fight anyone anyway.



I'm not justifying anything so much as saying whats what. I'd rather live in your reality of what boxing should be & have had long tirades myself on ways boxing would work better & have a bigger space in sports like it used to have & where any fight can & is makeable at any time among top guys. I LOVE how the UFC operates like that as a combat sports fan. But boxing doesn't work like that these days.

I've mainly take issue with your blaming Spence for the realities of boxing & suggesting he should do x thing cuz of y & obviously to you thats the only thing that makes sense on your checkers board take of the game of chess thats being played.

At this point I kinda wish Spence would call up Arum on the phone on some live show & we could see Arum hemming & hawing at Spence saying lets make the fight in September cuz then you'd see the reality you think you see fall apart cuz Arum wouldn't make this fight in September if it was in his face to make it & I'm laughing at anyone who thinks he would.

The business of boxing of the moment isn't favorable for this fight to reach its importance in the sports world & for the players involved if it happens next & all these mfers know it despite what they publicly say or don't say publicly for that matter. These mfers got over a 100 years experience in boxing at this point. You can disagree with them overmarinating fights or making marginal moves that piss us all off at times, but you'll never find them undermarinating fights & Spence vs Bud in September is a undermarinated fight as troubling as that is for you to understand.

I have a hard time understanding the revisionist statement simply because this is a current scenario, that's all.

Spence is acting like he's not interested in the fight anytime soon. Whether he wants it soon or not, or whether he's just being realistic with boxing's current process of marinating big fights, or even if Arum secretly doesn't want the fight, etc. is irrelevant to my post. All of those things could be true, but it doesn't change the attitude Errol has had towards this fight happening sooner rather than later. I am a huge Spence fan, I actually think this might be the first public criticism I've had of him, and I don't believe for a second he's afraid to fight Crawford. But like I said, he's not the one pushing for the fight, on the contrary, his lax attitude communicates to me that he's perfectly fine with delaying it. So I'm pointing that out. I may ne wrong, but I haven't seen anything that shows me otherwise. I actually feel like we're going in circles with this.

Hiwever, once again, I understand the business side and the reality of boxing. That doesn't mean I have to be cool with everyone's role in keeping it that way. I'm just a fan, if I don't like something, I can say it. That's it, nothing to do with an inability to accept reality or trying to play checkers in a chess game.

It makes sense that you took issue with my criticism of Spence, but to be fair to him he's not the only one taking part on something like this. And he's not anywhere close to being the worst offender. I jumped on Canelo's case hard when he was delaying the GGG fight too. I've criticized both AJ and Wilder for their bull**** with the heavyweight division, and that one is the most frustrating to me at the moment by the way... I know this has been going on for a while, I just think it's gotten worse after Floyd.

I bring up Lomachenko because he could have easily stayed at 130lbs fighting nobodies while waiting for Davies or another super fight to come about, but he instead went up to135lbs and is actively trying to unify the division. This is impressive to me because he didn't even outgrow the 130, and still moved up once it looked like Davies was not in a hurry to fight him.

I've always tried to look at things objectively and not rely on the agenda that benefits the fighters I like the most. I mean right now you just asked a lot more of Crawford than you do from Spence to prove he wants the fight when he's the only one talking like he's ready to roll right now. Maybe it was a purposeful extreme example, but still, I'm just speaking on what I see.

[The Big Dunn]

Let's settle this talk about this topic.
Anyone seen anything about Garcia calling out Crawford?

This is an interesting question. Crawford resigned with TR (as he should with the amount of money offered).

Does his re-signing with TR indicate he is afraid of PBC WW's? I don't think so but it seems if you were holding him to the same standard as you do the PBC welters, then you'd have made that thread instead of this one.

[muslimer12]

Every welterweight loses badly to Bud and Spence. Non want it with them

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I believe they fought or sparred in the amateurs but on paper seems like a bad style matchup for Danny...with the right gameplan I could see Danny never really getting off unless he can land well in exchanges

[Joe Beamish]

Garcia and Crawford fought each other in the amateurs, and each guy won at least one matchup against the other. I know this because I saw Crawford say so in one of his interviews.

I do not think any welterweight today besides Spence could be very competitive with Crawford. He is insanely good. A prime Leonard would beat him. I'm not sure if Floyd would beat him at 147, as this was not Floyd's best weight, and honestly, Floyd never fought any opponent remotely in Crawford's class at WW.

That said, Garcia is a much better opponent than Crawford has faced, at least at 147. So maybe it would be a decent fight.

But if I were Garcia, I wouldn't want it either.

[Boxing Goat]

If Crawford beat DG, it would far and away be his best win.

[Boxing Goat]

From my observation, Garcia seems to be content to cruise along in the back drop and pick up those pay checks. Cant hate on him for that. Legacy seems secondary to his financial stability.

I'm not sure where that comes from, he's fought a lot of good fighters. Better resume than Bud as far as I'm concerned.

[Boxing Goat]

It Garcia fought like a beast it could be interesting Danny does a lot of subtle things that people don't see and they underrate him as a result. I think Bud KOs him but its competitive for a few rounds.

Why? I've never seen Garcia hurt.