Is Danny Garcia even interested in fighting Terence Crawford?

[EL_GRINGO]

what does it even matter, they can never fight,Haymon and Arum,this is pointless

[PeasantCrusha]

Garcia straight up ducked Crawford. He doesn't want it.

He gets his ass kicked by Crawford, and every single poster on this forum knows it.

Here we go again..."Danny wants no part of Matthysse"

Crawford's resume... took him 6 rounds to "TKO" Khans ballsack.

I dont see how Crawford is incapable of getting his ass beat by Danny. Not yet... not because he punched chinless Khan for 6 rounds until he went to the ****bag for the "TKO"

You kids always hyping up monsters around here.

"But GGG doe"

"But Kovalev doe"

"But Matty doe"

#****OuttaHere

[STREET CLEANER]

Everybody is acting here like Arum is going to let Crawford fight anybody that is not signed to TR. They will continue the name dropping and go and fight Brook. But has one recognizable name at WW and it is Horn. Any of the top WW would had done the same or better against horn.

My guess is that Bud's chin will be tested real soon.

[Mister Wolf]

Here we go again..."Danny wants no part of Matthysse"

Crawford's resume... took him 6 rounds to "TKO" Khans ballsack.

I dont see how Crawford is incapable of getting his ass beat by Danny. Not yet... not because he punched chinless Khan for 6 rounds until he went to the ****bag for the "TKO"

You kids always hyping up monsters around here.

"But GGG doe"

"But Kovalev doe"

"But Matty doe"

#****OuttaHere

Herrera outboxed Garcia and so did Porter(football player). Neither feared his punch. Crawford would **** Danny up.

[Zaryu]

Honestly I got no clue what you mean hence me asking cuz we all know Spence just fought Garcia in his PPV debut & they are trying to build him into a PPV attraction vs Porter next. And after that its the Thurman/Manny winner or maybe another bs mando to keep his belt at that point idk, but the blueprint has been & will continue to be for this fight to happen in late 2020 or early 2021. Nothings changed as I've seen it as of late. If you've seen change I'm curious what that was exactly legitimately.

Gotcha, I just thought you were trying to be a smart@ss for arguments sake. My point is that I'm talking about the current scene on boxing. I'm not picking apart 10 years worth of boxing events and twisting it to fit my agenda. Obviously you and I have a different perspective on these events and that's fine, but I'm just calling it like I see it, while you excuse others because you seem to think everyone would do the same in those positions.

I can get this.

But the thing is Bud has few options on the TR side so beggars can't be choosers & Spence has many options & he's wanted Thurman for longer than he's wanted Bud.

Sure, but why would I justify that mentality? Again, I understand the business side, I understand power plays and "marinating" to maximize profits, but when the #2 guy wants to fight the #1 guy, I'm okay with that. I prefer that! I don't need to become a business man and give everyone a pass.

Sh^t man Bud is a 147lber for less than a year still & is 3-0 at 147 over Khan, Horn & Jose Benavidez ffs. Thurman has beaten Danny, Porter & Guerrero + has been the big fight for Spence he's been chasing for like 3 years now. Of course Thurman is the bigger within his grasp scalp for Spence still today even if Bud might be the bigger career scalp for him eventually.

I know, this is not really a conversation about resumes, but I'll also add he's an undefeated three weight division champion that unified the whole jr. welterweight division and seems to want to fight whoever's considered number one at welterweight now.

Thats easy to say when you got no skin in the game. Spence has skin in the game. Bud has skin in the game.

Sure, but does it mean I'm wrong? I mean we're both on the same page in regards to Porter and Thurman but for Spence now you want to consider they have skin in the game? I know they do and I greatly appreciate their sacrifice for our entertainment. The only thing I'm asking from them is to make the fights the fans want at a reasonable time. It's not the end of the world if they don't, but as a paying customer I have the right to complain when they don't deliver.

Thats why I don't think Bud realllllllllly wants the fight next either regardless of any comments cuz its 700k buys next & Bud knows the play himself. He also knows its not happening next or in the next 12 months cuz of the realities on all sides so he can say anything today & its only hyping the eventual fight more than its doing anything else.

You can believe him or not, but at least he's acting like he wants the fight now, which is more that can be said for Spence.

If it happens in late 2020 or early 2021 after ideally Spence beats Porter & the Thurman/Manny winner & Bud beats Brook & some PBC also ran like Danny or Porter or Thurman after they lose to Spence or Manny then its doing 1.5Mish buys & making all parties more money.

This isn't ducking sh^t. This is money sh^t, business sh^t.

Granted I get no one is excited for the business sh^t & its not like there isn't risk involved that could wreck or alter the whole plan, but thats how boxing works these days.

I'm not denying that, but why would I care so much about them delaying fights? I'm not the one benefiting. Who's to say they can't make the same money if they just fight each other when they're supposed to, but end up fighting each other several times to settle the score?

Sorry to be the one to break this to you, but its the norm already. Bowe vs Lennox never happened years ago cuz of business sh^t. Hell even that lower level RJJ vs Darisuz-sp fight didn't happen cuz of business sh^t more or less. All fights that never happened, but should of happened cuz they were the clear top two guys in the division at the time. The fact Floyd vs Manny happened at all was a W for boxing to some degree I'd argue cuz I, among many others, was confident in the fight never happening as of 2015.

You're right, this has practically been the norm since the Mayweather era. That's why it's so refreshing to see if fighters like Lomachenko & Usyk who are truly interested in facing the best. They'll still make their money, but for the most part they also give boxing fans the fights they want.

The whole structure of boxing would need to be altered for this to be a reality doe. The way boxing is set up insures the money is maximized at all costs cuz its the best option for the best outcome for the people with skin in the game



Putting it on any side is your prerogative, but I'd argue you are denying the realities & dynamics in play of the sport as it currently operates then "speaking out" against anything.

I'm not denying anything, I'm just speaking against it while you seem to justify it. We don't need to agree, obviously we see many of the same things but our attitudes towards them are different. For the most part PBC welterweights are not interested in fighting Crawford anytime soon. I think that's messed up, and you seem to think it's okay because that's the norm in boxing and you think Crawford would do the same if he was the one with PBC and another welterweight was left out of the loop for being with toprank. Maybe if we only had some skin in it maybe we would understand... but a lot of us do understand, we're just not as okay with it as you seem to be.

[Eff Pandas]

Gotcha, I just thought you were trying to be a smart@ss for arguments sake. My point is that I'm talking about the current scene on boxing. I'm not picking apart 10 years worth of boxing events and twisting it to fit my agenda. Obviously you and I have a different perspective on these events and that's fine, but I'm just calling it like I see it, while you excuse others because you seem to think everyone would do the same in those positions.

Everything matters. You can't cut out a pocket of time & act like history started on that day. I'm not. I feel like maybe you are.

Sure, but why would I justify that mentality? Again, I understand the business side, I understand power plays and "marinating" to maximize profits, but when the #2 guy wants to fight the #1 guy, I'm okay with that. I prefer that! I don't need to become a business man and give everyone a pass.

If only it was that simple. And like I've said in this & other threads its not even that simple cuz of boxers least of all, but because of promoters & platforms & mando's & other sh^t not even in the fighters hands. Sometimes I feel like the fighters have the less ability to control things in boxing then anyone, but get the most blame while people ignore contracts that have been signed.

I know, this is not really a conversation about resumes, but I'll also add he's an undefeated three weight division champion that unified the whole jr. welterweight division and seems to want to fight whoever's considered number one at welterweight now.

Sure, but in Spence's mind Thurman is more the meal he's looking to eat before the bigger & better meal later. I mean if Boots comes on the scene in the next 12 mos in a big way & becomes a player at the top of 147, which isn't entirely unreasonable, & Spence goes into some slump over the same 12 mos that lowers his ceiling with fans should Bud bypass a more makeable fight at that point in 2020 with Spence & his more proven resume for the new guy on the scene in Boots at that point in a less appealing monetarily fight with a less proven at the weight fighter? I mean maybe he would, but it doesn't seem the best decision.

Sure, but does it mean I'm wrong? I mean we're both on the same page in regards to Porter and Thurman but for Spence now you want to consider they have skin in the game? I know they do and I greatly appreciate their sacrifice for our entertainment. The only thing I'm asking from them is to make the fights the fans want at a reasonable time. It's not the end of the world if they don't, but as a paying customer I have the right to complain when they don't deliver.

Porter & Thurman had skin in the game then. Thats why they didn't want Spence. Just like SSM & Oscar didn't want Floyd when Floyd wanted them. The juice wasn't worth the squeeze. A classic boxing scenario.

You can believe him or not, but at least he's acting like he wants the fight now, which is more that can be said for Spence.

I don't see Spence act like he's not wanting the fight. He just understands the dynamics at play better & talks less recklessly about the fight cuz he's at the forefront of them now & Bud isn't. Bud is on the bad side of the equation so he's got no options that are sexy. Spence as all the sexy options including Bud.

If Bud really wants the fight its pretty simple how to get it. Do that Ali to Liston sh^t back in the day. Talk about him all day. Show up everywhere Spence is. Come to Spence's house in the middle of the night. If Bud really wants the fight next that would prove it to me. Otherwise he's just playing the game with his position on the board. He's got NO ONE to talk about EXCEPT SPENCE so of course he's talking about Spence. Spence gots Porter, Thurman, Manny & Bud on the table. Of course Bud is seeing his name less in Spence headlines. But I've seen not a damn thing that suggests Spence is acting like he isn't down for a Bud fight he just is a reasonable mfer that knows its not happening next cuz of a million things most notably that Arum doesn't reallllllllly want it to happen now cuz it'll come up short on PPV buys & Arum is the real key to this fight happening when it does happen not Bud, not Spence, not Haymon or anyone else.

I'm not denying that, but why would I care so much about them delaying fights? I'm not the one benefiting. Who's to say they can't make the same money if they just fight each other when they're supposed to, but end up fighting each other several times to settle the score?

I'm not saying you should care. But it is the reality of this time in boxing.

And its obviously theory when to best put on a fight, but I believe there to be a solid argument that there is a certain Q score when it makes sense & these mfers with skin in the game have a much better concept of that then we do.

As hardcore boxing fans we are the canary's in the coalmine with interest in big fights. Its when the casuals get interested more in the big fights that its time for them to happen to make the most money for the people with skin in the game like it or not. Understand it or not. Wanna complain about it or not. I'm just saying whats what I'm not even taking a side so much. You can be mad the sky is blue when red is your favorite color, but the sky is still gonna be blue tomorrow.

You're right, this has practically been the norm since the Mayweather era. That's why it's so refreshing to see if fighters like Lomachenko & Usyk who are truly interested in facing the best. They'll still make their money, but for the most part they also give boxing fans the fights they want.

I mentioned fights pre-Floyd. Its been going on before Floyd. Arum didn't even wanna make Floyd vs Oscar when it made sense, but didn't make enough sense ffs.

And I got no clue what you'd even marinate with Loma & Usyk thats how small both still are on the big money scale of boxing still so idk what you are even getting at there. When you aren't making huge money or got huge money within your grasp of course you gotta fight everyone. Thats the approach guys usually gotta take on their way up. Or be willing to fight anyone anyway.

I'm not denying anything, I'm just speaking against it while you seem to justify it. We don't need to agree, obviously we see many of the same things but our attitudes towards them are different. For the most part PBC welterweights are not interested in fighting Crawford anytime soon. I think that's messed up, and you seem to think it's okay because that's the norm in boxing and you think Crawford would do the same if he was the one with PBC and another welterweight was left out of the loop for being with toprank. Maybe if we only had some skin in it maybe we would understand... but a lot of us do understand, we're just not as okay with it as you seem to be.

I'm not justifying anything so much as saying whats what. I'd rather live in your reality of what boxing should be & have had long tirades myself on ways boxing would work better & have a bigger space in sports like it used to have & where any fight can & is makeable at any time among top guys. I LOVE how the UFC operates like that as a combat sports fan. But boxing doesn't work like that these days.

I've mainly take issue with your blaming Spence for the realities of boxing & suggesting he should do x thing cuz of y & obviously to you thats the only thing that makes sense on your checkers board take of the game of chess thats being played.

At this point I kinda wish Spence would call up Arum on the phone on some live show & we could see Arum hemming & hawing at Spence saying lets make the fight in September cuz then you'd see the reality you think you see fall apart cuz Arum wouldn't make this fight in September if it was in his face to make it & I'm laughing at anyone who thinks he would.

The business of boxing of the moment isn't favorable for this fight to reach its importance in the sports world & for the players involved if it happens next & all these mfers know it despite what they publicly say or don't say publicly for that matter. These mfers got over a 100 years experience in boxing at this point. You can disagree with them overmarinating fights or making marginal moves that piss us all off at times, but you'll never find them undermarinating fights & Spence vs Bud in September is a undermarinated fight as troubling as that is for you to understand.

[PeasantCrusha]

Herrera outboxed Garcia and so did Porter(football player). Neither feared his punch. Crawford would **** Danny up.

Herrera out-jabbed Danny. Danny landed more power shots.

Porter is sloppy and will give anyone fits...Porter is a grappler...sloppy fight.

You are reaching. Danny would be the best fighter on Crawford's resume.

Bring it.

[Mister Wolf]

Herrera out-jabbed Danny. Danny landed more power shots.

Porter is sloppy and will give anyone fits...Porter is a grappler...sloppy fight.

You are reaching. Danny would be the best fighter on Crawford's resume.

Bring it.

Ugas beat Porter handily and Crawford would bully(just like Ugas) and batter Porter. Garcia is a flatfooted counterpuncher who is slow and only looks good vs fighters who don't move their head with little to no defense. His best win Matthysee was already outboxed by Judah and Alexander. Garcia needs to fight Lipinets or Ugas next and not need a gift decision to win.



Yeah "out jabbed"

[creekrat77]

When Danny fought Paulie... that should have told you everything haha

[KillaMane26]

Didnt he already turn down Crawford last year?