Is Danny Garcia even interested in fighting Terence Crawford?

[Bullrider]

No he's not interested.

[Zaryu]

Come on man. Lets not go THAT revisionist history on this. Spence & Bud had a well watched YouTube video at a fight recently that shows anyone with a clue Spence isn't ignoring Bud or that Bud isn't ignoring Spence for anyone suggesting that too. Both guys have a confidence & c#ckiness in them with each other that show they both know whats up & I suspect when they do get made that some part of that clip is attached to the shoulder programming for the fight.

I do think Thurman is a guy who's been mostly ignoring fighting Bud AND Spence doe although I'm sure there are some clips of him mentioning both as well, but his actions seem to suggest his boxing career has taken a backseat more & more from where it was at previous to him getting belted & I think he sees Spence as his MayPac fight & he doesn't even see Bud as a reasonable fight even if Bud ends up being the guy at 147 at this point. Maybe that take would change if Spence fell off or moved to 154 doe idk. But Thurman is the guy I've been most disappointed in of all the 147lbers cuz he was the guy for a moment & he fumbled the ball embarrassingly in my eyes with his moves & seeming lack of desire to make the fights fans most wanna see now that made sense at the time.

I'm not being a revisionist, I'm talking about now, and by ignoring I mean PBC fighters not even entertaining the idea of fighting Crawford soon, not in the literal sense. I remember the light banter from Spence and Crawford, but even in that, Spence is the one asking to clean his side of the block first, while Crawford is talking like he's ready now.

I understand the fight can grow bigger, but Spence has not been very active in cleaning up his side of the block and I can't help but blame him in part for the fight not happening.

I don't think any of the fighters are scared to make the fight, but they're definitely cropping Crawford out of the equation for now and it's not fair. Not to the fans or the sport.

[Eff Pandas]

I'm not being a revisionist, I'm talking about now

What like Monday? Come on man lol.

and by ignoring I mean PBC fighters not even entertaining the idea of fighting Crawford soon, not in the literal sense.

The problem with this logic is even Bob don't want the fight THAT soon despite what he's saying now. If everyone wanted to fight, & I have no reason to believe Bud & Spence don't wanna fight, Bob would be like "well we gotta build up the fight first" with some bs unofficial semifinals so the fight isn't happening next in any f#cking multiverse is the thing.

The fight WILL happen when things play out more with Spence vs Thurman vs Porter vs Manny. If roles were reversed & Bud was on the PBC side the same realities would be taking part & they are with a guy like Charlo who's the Bud of 160lbs.

I remember the light banter from Spence and Crawford, but even in that, Spence is the one asking to clean his side of the block first, while Crawford is talking like he's ready now.

And Bud would be asking to clean his side of the block first to if roles were reversed.

I understand the fight can grow bigger, but Spence has not been very active in cleaning up his side of the block and I can't help but blame him in part for the fight not happening.

I blame Thurman & Porter for that. Both COULD have fought Spence, but they wanted Spence to be bigger before they took the fight. Its not unlike the revisionist history with Floyd vs SSM & Oscar in that way. Anyone who follows boxing KNOWS Floyd called out both guys first & Floyd was a fly on a bulls ass at that point so the dollars didn't make sense to SSM & Oscar. When the dollars did make sense SSM & Oscar fought Floyd. This is business sh^t at this level like it or not & NO ONE, including f#cking Arum wants Spence vs Bud next I f#cking guarantee you that.

I don't think any of the fighters are scared to make the fight, but they're definitely cropping Crawford out of the equation for now and it's not fair. Not to the fans or the sport.

Sh^t man I could go on for days about the things unfair to the fans or the sport. Thats the biggest problem in boxing in my estimation is that no one is looking out for the sport of boxing. There is no dictator in boxing running boxing like the NFL does for football or the NBA does for basketball. We got a bunch of warlords with pockets of power that can dictate certain things, but not others & they are all playing their strengths & leverage against each other. Sh^t is messy no doubt.

[sicko]

Yeah...if the money is right


Of course he is going to want to get paid well for it as he should

[RL_GMA]

From my observation, Garcia seems to be content to cruise along in the back drop and pick up those pay checks. Cant hate on him for that. Legacy seems secondary to his financial stability.

This is exactly how I feel about Danny. He's talking "I'm back" knowing he'll never have to fight Terence Crawford who's more than available. He wants a Pacquiao fight but hasn't had a significant win in YEARS. Crawford would zap any momentum Danny has right now which everyone involved likely already knows.

[Zaryu]

What like Monday? Come on man lol.

I think you know exactly what I mean. I'm talking about current events, I don't think enough time has even passed for me to be a revisionist with this. Accusing me of twisting reality would'be been less out there...

The problem with this logic is even Bob don't want the fight THAT soon despite what he's saying now. If everyone wanted to fight, & I have no reason to believe Bud & Spence don't wanna fight, Bob would be like "well we gotta build up the fight first" with some bs unofficial semifinals so the fight isn't happening next in any f#cking multiverse is the thing.

The problem with this argument is that it's all speculation. Don't get me wrong, it's not even that I don't agree with your assumption, but I'm pointing my frustration with what's actually happening. You seem to be excusing it with a hypothetical example. If both Spence and Crawford were talking like they wanted the fight next, then all my criticism would go towards Bob and Al, but he's not, he's talking like he's content with the scenario.

The fight WILL happen when things play out more with Spence vs Thurman vs Porter vs Manny. If roles were reversed & Bud was on the PBC side the same realities would be taking part & they are with a guy like Charlo who's the Bud of 160lbs.

And Bud would be asking to clean his side of the block first to if roles were reversed.

I think that's very possible, and if roles were reversed I'd feel the same way, we would just need to switch the names to my posts. It doesn't change my stance on the situation.

I blame Thurman & Porter for that. Both COULD have fought Spence, but they wanted Spence to be bigger before they took the fight. Its not unlike the revisionist history with Floyd vs SSM & Oscar in that way. Anyone who follows boxing KNOWS Floyd called out both guys first & Floyd was a fly on a bulls ass at that point so the dollars didn't make sense to SSM & Oscar. When the dollars did make sense SSM & Oscar fought Floyd. This is business sh^t at this level like it or not & NO ONE, including f#cking Arum wants Spence vs Bud next I f#cking guarantee you that.

I blame Thurman and Porter too for those fights not happening, which is why I would at least expect Spence to sound like he wants the fight next and not worry about the business side of it.

We eventually got Mayweather vs Pacquiao, but I still wish we could've seen that fight in 2010 as well. The boxing world missed out on that one, and I would hate for things like this to become the norm.

I understand the business side of it and appreciate the fact that fighters need to look out for their own interests, but a lot of these things are done at the expense of the fans. Is it really too much to ask to see the 2 best fighters in the same weightclass fight each other sooner rather than later?

Sh^t man I could go on for days about the things unfair to the fans or the sport. Thats the biggest problem in boxing in my estimation is that no one is looking out for the sport of boxing. There is no dictator in boxing running boxing like the NFL does for football or the NBA does for basketball. We got a bunch of warlords with pockets of power that can dictate certain things, but not others & they are all playing their strengths & leverage against each other. Sh^t is messy no doubt.

I agree with this, like I said, I understand the business side of it, but I don't have to act like I'm okay with every aspect of it. In this specific scenario I feel like I have to put it on PBC, and even Spence a little bit. It's not that I think Spence doesn't want to fight Crawford, but I don't like it that he's okay with letting the fight linger when it should really be happening this year. If it was Bob shielding his fighter from important fights, like he has done before, I would be speaking out against him.

[Eff Pandas]

I think you know exactly what I mean. I'm talking about current events, I don't think enough time has even passed for me to be a revisionist with this. Accusing me of twisting reality would'be been less out there...

Honestly I got no clue what you mean hence me asking cuz we all know Spence just fought Garcia in his PPV debut & they are trying to build him into a PPV attraction vs Porter next. And after that its the Thurman/Manny winner or maybe another bs mando to keep his belt at that point idk, but the blueprint has been & will continue to be for this fight to happen in late 2020 or early 2021. Nothings changed as I've seen it as of late. If you've seen change I'm curious what that was exactly legitimately.

The problem with this argument is that it's all speculation. Don't get me wrong, it's not even that I don't agree with your assumption, but I'm pointing my frustration with what's actually happening. You seem to be excusing it with a hypothetical example. If both Spence and Crawford were talking like they wanted the fight next, then all my criticism would go towards Bob and Al, but he's not, he's talking like he's content with the scenario.

I can get this.

But the thing is Bud has few options on the TR side so beggars can't be choosers & Spence has many options & he's wanted Thurman for longer than he's wanted Bud.

Sh^t man Bud is a 147lber for less than a year still & is 3-0 at 147 over Khan, Horn & Jose Benavidez ffs. Thurman has beaten Danny, Porter & Guerrero + has been the big fight for Spence he's been chasing for like 3 years now. Of course Thurman is the bigger within his grasp scalp for Spence still today even if Bud might be the bigger career scalp for him eventually.

I think that's very possible, and if roles were reversed I'd feel the same way, we would just need to switch the names to my posts. It doesn't change my stance on the situation.

Fair play.

I blame Thurman and Porter too for those fights not happening, which is why I would at least expect Spence to sound like he wants the fight next and not worry about the business side of it.

Thats easy to say when you got no skin in the game. Spence has skin in the game. Bud has skin in the game.

Thats why I don't think Bud realllllllllly wants the fight next either regardless of any comments cuz its 700k buys next & Bud knows the play himself. He also knows its not happening next or in the next 12 months cuz of the realities on all sides so he can say anything today & its only hyping the eventual fight more than its doing anything else.

If it happens in late 2020 or early 2021 after ideally Spence beats Porter & the Thurman/Manny winner & Bud beats Brook & some PBC also ran like Danny or Porter or Thurman after they lose to Spence or Manny then its doing 1.5Mish buys & making all parties more money.

This isn't ducking sh^t. This is money sh^t, business sh^t.

Granted I get no one is excited for the business sh^t & its not like there isn't risk involved that could wreck or alter the whole plan, but thats how boxing works these days.

We eventually got Mayweather vs Pacquiao, but I still wish we could've seen that fight in 2010 as well. The boxing world missed out on that one, and I would hate for things like this to become the norm.

Sorry to be the one to break this to you, but its the norm already. Bowe vs Lennox never happened years ago cuz of business sh^t. Hell even that lower level RJJ vs Darisuz-sp fight didn't happen cuz of business sh^t more or less. All fights that never happened, but should of happened cuz they were the clear top two guys in the division at the time. The fact Floyd vs Manny happened at all was a W for boxing to some degree I'd argue cuz I, among many others, was confident in the fight never happening as of 2015.

I understand the business side of it and appreciate the fact that fighters need to look out for their own interests, but a lot of these things are done at the expense of the fans. Is it really too much to ask to see the 2 best fighters in the same weightclass fight each other sooner rather than later?

The whole structure of boxing would need to be altered for this to be a reality doe. The way boxing is set up insures the money is maximized at all costs cuz its the best option for the best outcome for the people with skin in the game.

I agree with this, like I said, I understand the business side of it, but I don't have to act like I'm okay with every aspect of it. In this specific scenario I feel like I have to put it on PBC, and even Spence a little bit. It's not that I think Spence doesn't want to fight Crawford, but I don't like it that he's okay with letting the fight linger when it should really be happening this year. If it was Bob shielding his fighter from important fights, like he has done before, I would be speaking out against him.

Putting it on any side is your prerogative, but I'd argue you are denying the realities & dynamics in play of the sport as it currently operates then "speaking out" against anything.

[Eff Pandas]

It's not well known but Danny was offered 4 million bucks to fight Crawford before just Crawford fought Khan. His dad turned the offer down.

If Khan made $5M this weekend it was a smart to turn down the offer. I think Danny is of more value to TR & Bud then Khan is.

What the offer is now for Bud vs Danny to happen is debatable since Bud has less viable options now with Khan outta the way, but the starting bid is obviously $5M lol.

I suspect Brook will be the more attractive fight for TR cuz it'll be easier to make, cuz Bob obviously hates having to negotiate from a point of weakness, & probably for less money next. But I'm hoping Bob will surprise me like he's done more times recently then in the past (like with the outta nowhere Fury acquisition) & look seriously into Danny cuz I think thats the most compelling fight for Bud thats legit makeable right now.

And regardless if its makeable next or not I think with Danny being the odd man out at PBC for the foreseeable future he's gonna be a guy on Bud's shortlist for the next couple fights. To me its just a question of if Arum will pay Danny something that lights up Danny's eyes like Arum offered Khan that lit up Khan's eyes.

[Bullrider]

He should be calling out Crawford now until he gets the fight.

So far I haven't heard him say anything about it.

[Fists_of_Fury]

Danny said he'll fight anyone at 147lbs. including Crawford if the $ is right. The only 2 fighters I've heard him say he doesn't really want to fight are Hurd and Jermell Charlo because they are too big if he moved up to 154lbs. Danny has fought tons of good fighters that actually had good resumes, why would he duck hype job Crawford? If Bob offered good $ the fight could get made as long as Danny didn't have a more lucrative offer on the PBC side.