But nobody knows who Wilder is doe!

[ShoulderRoll]

But that's AJ, a certified dish. My two-pronged point was this:

* Although it's nice for AJ to get more cash, he doesn't NEED the US money, as he can live extremely comfortably on what he's making in the UK market.

* The Batty Windmiller is by no means a viable example of someone who is succeeding in the market of Fat Yankistan, a man who gets an erection if he sells three tickets and his gran buys his PPV.

It's under those circumstances that this "he need's to cum to da state's" is so ridiculous IMO. You've got Windmillers telling people that AJ (a man doing over a mil in PPVs each time) needs to come and take a share in the Batty Windmiller's market.... a market where no one knows who the **** he is, and no one buys his shows.

Wilder's last PPV did quite well. If Fury hadn't ran from the rematch I think that PPV would have done even better.

He actually is starting to succeed in his market. To say no one buys his shows is inaccurate in my opinion.

[Bullrider]

People will get nauseated if they found out about his insatiable appetite for undeserved money. He's greedy as f.

[Motorcity Cobra]

"listen"?

I can't even glean one bit of sense from your post, it just seems to consist of:

"I'll say I'm right with no rationale whatsoever"
"I'll accuse you of being biased while also ironically being nationalistic."

I don't get your point. AT ALL. It's okay to churn out this "they hav 2 cum 2 da state's" rhetoric when the heavyweight scene was popular in the US, but you've got the WBC heavyweight champion of the world and he think it's a good day if he can sell out a 20,000 arena.

I wasn't suggesting that overseas fighters have to come to the UK to further their careers (nice strawman though), but expressing the view that UK fighters in the HW division aren't obliged to travel in the current financial market. Whenever people mention that AJ has done 1.5m PPV buys on a fight, all I hear is "but people in da state's dont watch him" as if that means anything in and of itself.

GGG, Kovalev, Lomachenko, Canelo.... all well-known heavyweights, of course. I'm talking exclusively about the heavyweight division.

You like to type a lot of **** which I really don't read so let me put this to you in simple terms.

If you want to be a local star, fight elsewhere.

If you want to be an international star, fight in America

America is what matters. End of story

[Guest]

You like to type a lot of **** which I really don't read so let me put this to you in simple terms.

If you want to be a local star, fight elsewhere.

If you want to be an international star, fight in America

America is what matters. End of story

USA USA USA!

Don't respond to me if you "don't read", little boy. I thought I was having a converse with an ADULT, not some silly little kid who just posts nationalistic shite.

I'm talking STRICTLY about the market value of Wilder and AJ. JUST those two, and those two alone. Not middleweights, not light-heavyweights, just THOSE TWO.

And if it's a "UK vs US" argument (which YOU'VE made it, I didn't) then AJ is CLEARLY doing financially better than Wilder is right now.

I mean, are you THICK or what?

"listen".

[Guest]

Wilder's last PPV did quite well. If Fury hadn't ran from the rematch I think that PPV would have done even better.

He actually is starting to succeed in his market. To say no one buys his shows is inaccurate in my opinion.

He is, he is.

But considering the daft cunt's had 40 fights and has been a pro for 11 years, he's taking his sweet time getting there.

[Tyistall]

This is another debate that Wilder fans will turn the facts around on.
1. FACT Wilder has yet to sell out an arena while AJ has been selling out soccer stadiums for up to 90k fans.
2. FACT The Wilder vs Fury fight was never confirmed to sell 325k PPV's, they just put that number out there and everybody believed it. Similar to what GoldenBoy did when Canelo fought Smith and Khan and the numbers were low. Showtime never confirmed the PPV numbers to the Fury fight which means they were much worse.
3. FACT Wilder has been fighting for 11 years, has had a belt for 4 years and has NEVER tried to unify the titles. And no, a fake 50 million dollar email with a 24 hour deadline in which there are no meeting, doesn't count.
4. FACT They gave away tickets to the Fury/Wilder fight and they STILL didn't have a sold out crowd.
5. FACT Wilder said he wants to experience child birth. That makes him a *****.
6. FACT Within a year, Wilder has gone from "one name, one face, one champion" to "it's not about the money" to "I know my worth" to "loyalty" to "give me 50-50, you greedy bastard"
7. FACT Wilder has no problem fighting bums for 1-3 million, but he wants retirement money to get knocked out by AJ.
8. FACT Wilder is holding the belt hostage like Adonis Stevenson did. Asking for more and more money like a baby mamma does for child support.
9. FACT AJ has 4 belts while Wilder has one, so asking for 50-50 is a duck move, nothing more. Thats like Breazeale asking for 50-50 in the Wilder fight.
10. FACT Deep down, every Wilder fan knows that Wilder is ducking, but you ******asses don't want to admit it. Turning down 120 million is worse than Bowe throwing the belt in the trash

Now, you idiots can spin this any way you want to, but your idol Wilder is a bum beating fraud who lost his last fight. Good luck with him after he loses to Breazeale

[Guest]

This is another debate that Wilder fans will turn the facts around on.
1. FACT Wilder has yet to sell out an arena while AJ has been selling out soccer stadiums for up to 90k fans.
2. FACT The Wilder vs Fury fight was never confirmed to sell 325k PPV's, they just put that number out there and everybody believed it. Similar to what GoldenBoy did when Canelo fought Smith and Khan and the numbers were low. Showtime never confirmed the PPV numbers to the Fury fight which means they were much worse.
3. FACT Wilder has been fighting for 11 years, has had a belt for 4 years and has NEVER tried to unify the titles. And no, a fake 50 million dollar email with a 24 hour deadline in which there are no meeting, doesn't count.
4. FACT They gave away tickets to the Fury/Wilder fight and they STILL didn't have a sold out crowd.
5. FACT Wilder said he wants to experience child birth. That makes him a *****.
6. FACT Within a year, Wilder has gone from "one name, one face, one champion" to "it's not about the money" to "I know my worth" to "loyalty" to "give me 50-50, you greedy bastard"
7. FACT Wilder has no problem fighting bums for 1-3 million, but he wants retirement money to get knocked out by AJ.
8. FACT Wilder is holding the belt hostage like Adonis Stevenson did. Asking for more and more money like a baby mamma does for child support.
9. FACT AJ has 4 belts while Wilder has one, so asking for 50-50 is a duck move, nothing more. Thats like Breazeale asking for 50-50 in the Wilder fight.
10. FACT Deep down, every Wilder fan knows that Wilder is ducking, but you ******asses don't want to admit it. Turning down 120 million is worse than Bowe throwing the belt in the trash

Now, you idiots can spin this any way you want to, but your idol Wilder is a bum beating fraud who lost his last fight. Good luck with him after he loses to Breazeale

But some American's hav never seen Antone Jushua tho.

He need's 2 cum 2 da state's 2 hav the suces that Wylder is having... hes know one until hes sold 10,000 tickets in Alabama and done 200,000 PPVs.

1.5m PPVs and 90,000 stadiums? That's in the UK, Africa though... that doesn't count. your just bias.

[Tyistall]

[QUOTE=ShoulderRoll;19655112]Wilder's last PPV did quite well. If Fury hadn't ran from the rematch I think that PPV would have done even better.

He actually is starting to succeed in his market. To say no one buys his shows is inaccurate

The AJ vs Miller fight has higher pri es than the Breazeale vs Wilder fight... and it's out selling it too Haha. Fury won the fight and "ran" to get paid, like he should have. Wilder could still fight him, but of course Wilder won't. Just like Wilder never fought AJ, Klitschko, Whyte, Pulev, Parker, Povetkin, Haye, and anyone else in the last 5 years with a pulse. But he has no problem figuring Szpilka, Washington, Arreola, and the bum club. He's a fraudulent bum beating chumpion.

[Motorcity Cobra]

USA USA USA!

Don't respond to me if you "don't read", little boy. I thought I was having a converse with an ADULT, not some silly little kid who just posts nationalistic shite.

I'm talking STRICTLY about the market value of Wilder and AJ. JUST those two, and those two alone. Not middleweights, not light-heavyweights, just THOSE TWO.

And if it's a "UK vs US" argument (which YOU'VE made it, I didn't) then AJ is CLEARLY doing financially better than Wilder is right now.

I mean, are you THICK or what?

"listen".

Nobody is reading you novels when you're trying to type yourself to convince yourself that any other market counts as much as the U.S.

The U.S. is the only market that matters. Deal with it

[Motorcity Cobra]

This is another debate that Wilder fans will turn the facts around on.
1. FACT Wilder has yet to sell out an arena while AJ has been selling out soccer stadiums for up to 90k fans.
2. FACT The Wilder vs Fury fight was never confirmed to sell 325k PPV's, they just put that number out there and everybody believed it. Similar to what GoldenBoy did when Canelo fought Smith and Khan and the numbers were low. Showtime never confirmed the PPV numbers to the Fury fight which means they were much worse.

Yet AJ is the one over here trying to build his profile......

The only thing that matters is the U.S. market