Comments Thread For: Wilder: Everything Fury Gained, He'll Lose it By Facing Schwarz!

[davefromvancouv]

Why do you think Finkel cancelled a scheduled meeting with Hearn and told Dumbtay to make AJ an offer over social media instead?

Lou DiBella explained that the offer, if accepted, would require Hearn to relinquish control of the fight. Since the offer was rejected, there was no need to have a meeting.

Why do you think he refused to tell Eddie any of the details of that offer, including who was funding it?

Lou DiBella and Stephen Espinoza explained that the $50 million guarantee was chump change for Showtime and Viacom, and their reputation stood for itself. Plus the ensuing contract would legally binding if the offer was accepted...

Why bother posting an interview with Frank Warren if you are going to ignore what he says and invent your own alternative narrative?

I agree that Warren explicitly says that they had conversations about the fight being on BT. But he also says that Hearn would require the fight to be on Sky Sports. Espinoza and DiBella confirmed that ultimately a Sky offer was sent. So that would mean that Warren was only consulted to understand the UK rights to the fight since he had no promotional ties to Wilder or Joshua, and this was a surprise offer to Sky Sports.

[davefromvancouv]

Neither did Eddie Hearn. And it's clear to see why. That's exactly what their plans were.

Lou was saying the opposite before he said this. The same way Finkle was saying that they accepted the 15 Mill offer only to contradict himself later on by claiming he didn't accept the offer. It's all out there so you're wasting your time for what ever reason.

Where is the source that suggests they were looking for the highest bidder? Showtime and Viacom don't need BT to come up with $50 million. And the $15 million was accepted on condition that the fight would be next and a two-way rematch clause would be added. Joshua fought Povetkin instead and Wilder fought Fury.

[kafkod]

Lou DiBella explained that the offer, if accepted, would require Hearn to relinquish control of the fight. Since the offer was rejected, there was no need to have a meeting.

The offer was rejected because Finkel refused to have a meeting!

Both Hearn and AJ himself said they were interested in discussing it and asked for a meeting with Finkel. Finkel refused to talk to them unless they accepted the offer first.

Lou DiBella and Stephen Espinoza explained that the $50 million guarantee was chump change for Showtime and Viacom, and their reputation stood for itself. Plus the ensuing contract would legally binding if the offer was accepted...

Espinoza is a proven liar and DiBella himself confirmed what Warren said in that interview, that BT were involved in the $50million offer because they wanted to screen the fight in the UK.

I agree that Warren explicitly says that they had conversations about the fight being on BT. But he also says that Hearn would require the fight to be on Sky Sports. Espinoza and DiBella confirmed that ultimately a Sky offer was sent. So that would mean that Warren was only consulted to understand the UK rights to the fight since he had no promotional ties to Wilder or Joshua, and this was a surprise offer to Sky Sports.

Hearn exposed Espinoza's lies about that by confronting and challenging him on twitter.

Nobody is suggesting that Warren wanted to promote the fight himself. That's a strawman argument introduced by you.

[Adamsc151]

So NOT guaranteed then. I think we agreed.

If Eddie wants the fight he'll make a proper simple offer after the miller fight, when he can guarantee a fight with AJ. And the offer doesnt need to involve Wilder selling his soul to Eddie for multiple fights, back stabbing his current team/network, giving exclusive rights to DAZN etc... It just needs to be a simple normal offer.

Would that be similar to the "simple normal" $50m offer that Wilder's team made? You know, the one that was bankrolled by Sky and Matchroom's biggest rival and would have required Joshua to fight on BT Sport under the Boxnation banner and therefore "back-stabbing his current team/network"? You know, the offer that every Wilder fan slated Joshua for refusing when his team was refused access to any information other than "it's $50m, take it or leave it within a 24 hour window"?
I just think it's hilarious that when the shoe is on the other foot for twice as much money, the same people come out with every excuse under the sun to defend Wilder.

[davefromvancouv]

The offer was rejected because Finkel refused to have a meeting!

Both Hearn and AJ himself said they were interested in discussing it and asked for a meeting with Finkel. Finkel refused to talk to them unless they accepted the offer first..

Hearn said the reason they rejected the $50 million against 50% is because they wanted the fight in the UK:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2...der-us-insist/

Espinoza is a proven liar and DiBella himself confirmed what Warren said in that interview, that BT were involved in the $50million offer because they wanted to screen the fight in the UK..

DiBella destroyed the BT argument, saying that nobody is saying the fight was supposed to be on BT, and besides, the network was immaterial: if Joshua needed the fight on BT, it would be on BT. If Joshua had to be on Sky, it would be on Sky. Espinoza confirmed that what Warren said was twisted and that a Sky PPV offer was sent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNiSzKsNXuk&t=10m

Hearn exposed Espinoza's lies about that by confronting and challenging him on twitter.

Nobody is suggesting that Warren wanted to promote the fight himself. That's a strawman argument introduced by you.

The Twitter beef exposed that a contract was never sent, but a 3-page Sky offer was (worldboxingnews.net link):

https://www.***************.net/2019...pinoza-joshua/

[kafkod]

Hearn said the reason they rejected the $50 million against 50% is because they wanted the fight in the UK:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2...der-us-insist/



DiBella destroyed the BT argument, saying that nobody is saying the fight was supposed to be on BT, and besides, the network was immaterial: if Joshua needed the fight on BT, it would be on BT. If Joshua had to be on Sky, it would be on Sky. Espinoza confirmed that what Warren said was twisted and that a Sky PPV offer was sent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNiSzKsNXuk&t=10m

The Twitter beef exposed that a contract was never sent, but a 3-page Sky offer was (worldboxingnews.net link):

https://www.***************.net/2019...pinoza-joshua/

You're taking things out of context now. The offer we are talking about was eventually sent to Hearn and AJ via social media, with a 24 hour take it or leave it deadline.

[Jkp]

Would that be similar to the "simple normal" $50m offer that Wilder's team made? You know, the one that was bankrolled by Sky and Matchroom's biggest rival and would have required Joshua to fight on BT Sport under the Boxnation banner and therefore "back-stabbing his current team/network"? You know, the offer that every Wilder fan slated Joshua for refusing when his team was refused access to any information other than "it's $50m, take it or leave it within a 24 hour window"?
I just think it's hilarious that when the shoe is on the other foot for twice as much money, the same people come out with every excuse under the sun to defend Wilder.

No. Wilder put forward was an offer to Fight AJ and only AJ .

What Dazn offered was an offer to fight someone who is not AJ, with no gurarantee to fight AJ at all after that.

[Sid-Knee]

Where is the source that suggests they were looking for the highest bidder? Showtime and Viacom don't need BT to come up with $50 million. And the $15 million was accepted on condition that the fight would be next and a two-way rematch clause would be added. Joshua fought Povetkin instead and Wilder fought Fury.

Hearn said the fight would be next. He was looking at Oct Nov time. No reason for Hearn not to call it next because it wasn't like AJ was going to learn much more in another 6 months. He had the WBA breathing down his neck and needed to move fast. He already had 2 extensions from them to make the fight with Wilder, they weren't going to give another one. Finkle knew this which is why he kept that contract for weeks without saying anything or getting back to Hearn. He was running the clock down for the mandatory. He only piped up because the news was out that he had the contract. Had he spent too long without accepting or refusing, people would have got too su****ious. It's all bollocks.

You don't like facts do you? Finkle said on camera later on down the road that they never accepted the 15 Mill offer. They completely contradicted everything they said before, and fools like you bought it. But don't worry, the vast majority know who the problem was and is. That couldn't be any clearer.

[davefromvancouv]

Hearn said the fight would be next. He was looking at Oct Nov time. No reason for Hearn not to call it next because it wasn't like AJ was going to learn much more in another 6 months. He had the WBA breathing down his neck and needed to move fast. He already had 2 extensions from them to make the fight with Wilder, they weren't going to give another one. Finkle knew this which is why he kept that contract for weeks without saying anything or getting back to Hearn. He was running the clock down for the mandatory. He only piped up because the news was out that he had the contract. Had he spent too long without accepting or refusing, people would have got too su****ious. It's all bollocks.

You don't like facts do you? Finkle said on camera later on down the road that they never accepted the 15 Mill offer. They completely contradicted everything they said before, and fools like you bought it. But don't worry, the vast majority know who the problem was and is. That couldn't be any clearer.

That doesn't sound familiar at all...

The way I remember it is after the big letdown of Hearn rejecting the $50 million against 50% offer, Hearn went back to a flat fee lowball offer, upping it from $12.5 million to $15 million. Wilder said, hey, why don't you just give me 40% and Hearn refused. Begrudgingly, Wilder accepted the insulting offer and asked for the contract. But wouldn't you know it, the contract didn't have a date specified and it only had a one-way rematch clause for Joshua. So Finkel asked for the contract to be fixed with these updates and said the contract would be signed by Friday of that week. Then we all got a shock from the WBA on the Monday, demanding a 24 hour deadline for Joshua to set up a fight with Povetkin and that was that...

Wilder then said, no more games and no more drama!!! 50/50 or no fight!!! And that's where we are today. Hearn has yet to offer 50/50 so the likely scenario is that Showtime will make the same (or better) offer after Joshua gets past Miller.

If Joshua accepts, we have an undisputed fight in November. Isn't that exciting?

[Sid-Knee]

That doesn't sound familiar at all...

The way I remember it is after the big letdown of Hearn rejecting the $50 million against 50% offer, Hearn went back to a flat fee lowball offer, upping it from $12.5 million to $15 million. Wilder said, hey, why don't you just give me 40% and Hearn refused. Begrudgingly, Wilder accepted the insulting offer and asked for the contract. But wouldn't you know it, the contract didn't have a date specified and it only had a one-way rematch clause for Joshua. So Finkel asked for the contract to be fixed with these updates and said the contract would be signed by Friday of that week. Then we all got a shock from the WBA on the Monday, demanding a 24 hour deadline for Joshua to set up a fight with Povetkin and that was that...

Wilder then said, no more games and no more drama!!! 50/50 or no fight!!! And that's where we are today. Hearn has yet to offer 50/50 so the likely scenario is that Showtime will make the same (or better) offer after Joshua gets past Miller.

If Joshua accepts, we have an undisputed fight in November. Isn't that exciting?

You need to stop going by your memory then.

And no, Wilder has been calling for 50/50 for well over a year, before these offers were even made.

They have been brutally exposed. Never in the history of this sport has it ever got so mad before. Wilder truly stands alone as the most delusional cretin boxing will ever know. It's impossible to get any worse than him. And that goes for his creepy fans as well.