If you permanently damaged someone in the ring, would you fight again?

[Guest]

Was thinking about this when ESPN had Gvozdyk on talking about the Stevenson fight and what his mental state would be going into the Dou dou fight after Stevenson got really damaged.
They were talking and Andre Ward said if the result of one of his fights was what happened to Stevenson that he would never fight again.

Kovalev and Griffith as well as Jesus Chavez have all be in fights like this. Griffith was never the same after and neither was Chavez but seems like Kovalev was fine. It's happened quite a bit throughout history.


So simple question, if you permanently damaged someone in the ring, would you fight again?

[Luilun]

It’s part of the game it’s like asking a Navy Seal if you kill someone in Combat can you still be a Navy Seal

[Guest]

It’s part of the game it’s like asking a Navy Seal if you kill someone in Combat can you still be a Navy Seal

You kill someone in combat is can easily be construed as being for some higher purpose (like saving your country or your troops) but there are more ways to eat than boxing.

Found it a little strange that Andre Ward said he wouldn't.

[Redd Foxx]

I really hurt a guy in training once (ripped his tendon off the shoulder in jiu-jitsu) and it affected me. It was more his fault than mine because he wouldn't tap for some reason but it kept him out for months and probably gave him permanent issues. After that I could never get really aggressive with training partners in either jiu-jitsu or boxing. It gave me the context that this is just sport, not warfare, and ego is not more valuable than people's health.

Now, if I was competing as a pro, that would be different. That's a fight for money. People go to war for money. I can't really say how I would feel. I know that as a fan that stuff makes me feel like trash. That we pay guys to *** up their lives. That's why I prefer refs to be cautious.

[LoadedWraps]

You kill someone in combat is can easily be construed as being for some higher purpose (like saving your country or your troops) but there are more ways to eat than boxing.

Found it a little strange that Andre Ward said he wouldn't.

Nah, it's more the same than not.

Violence is violence.

I'm both a combat vet and an amateur boxer, and while I've never hurt someone in the ring badly, to my knowledge, I agree with the poster you quoted. To me, it's like if I was to not be able to be a soldier after a battle in which lives were lost. If you don't have the stomach to beat a man down who is still coming out you, in the ring, or on the battlefield, you don't belong there imo.

We can put rules, and paint any picture we want in modern society with regards to boxing and any other combat sport, it is still barbaric, violent, and we are still talking about grown men who signed up to leave it all in the ring. Allow them to assume the courage, and take the risks, and take the consequences.

I'm not interested in preserving you, or your state of being at all when the bell rings. It's you or me, and I enter a solider state of mind as much as possible. I want the same energy, rush, and violence of action in the ring. I'm fighting for my life imo. We can shake hands after the fact, but I come to take your head off. Don't like it? Don't lace em up.

[HarvardBlue]

It’s part of the game it’s like asking a Navy Seal if you kill someone in Combat can you still be a Navy Seal

A Navy Seal's job is to kill people. That's like one of the few jobs where you should have absolutely no problem killing someone.

[john l]

Don't think anyone can answer this question unless they have been in this kinda fight.I know I once thought I hurt a guy bad in street fight and was scared shi t less and was praying for him and to be honest me.The guy was a REAL azz but was not out to permanently damage him and was happy when I heard he was alright for him and to be honest me.

[Eddy Current]

Pretty sure you'd have to be in the situation to give any sort of answer worth a darn

[john l]

A Navy Seal's job is to kill people. That's like one of the few jobs where you should have absolutely no problem killing someone.

And yet many still do.Unless you have permanently damage a guy or worse killed him you will never know.Even if you have been trained to do so.I remember hearing/reading a story about how many soldiers in civil war that pretended to shoot weapons because they could not pull trigger they would not reload.Also the story talked about WW2 and Vietnam and still same kinda thing was going on they realized they needed to train guys different but still had guys who just could not do it.

[john l]

Nah, it's more the same than not.

Violence is violence.

I'm both a combat vet and an amateur boxer, and while I've never hurt someone in the ring badly, to my knowledge, I agree with the poster you quoted. To me, it's like if I was to not be able to be a soldier after a battle in which lives were lost. If you don't have the stomach to beat a man down who is still coming out you, in the ring, or on the battlefield, you don't belong there imo.

We can put rules, and paint any picture we want in modern society with regards to boxing and any other combat sport, it is still barbaric, violent, and we are still talking about grown men who signed up to leave it all in the ring. Allow them to assume the courage, and take the risks, and take the consequences.

I'm not interested in preserving you, or your state of being at all when the bell rings. It's you or me, and I enter a solider state of mind as much as possible. I want the same energy, rush, and violence of action in the ring. I'm fighting for my life imo. We can shake hands after the fact, but I come to take your head off. Don't like it? Don't lace em up.

I get what your saying and looked at any fight I was in ring/street the same way but unless you have hurt/killed a guy you can NEVER know.I was never a soldier and maybe you have been in such situations but if not no amount of training can guarantee you will pull trigger when you have to unless like I said you have done it.One rule I always had in the street was to NEVER shake hands after. Down the road ok but NEVER right after ive even had to tell 1-2 guys who wanted to after that if you get in arms reach your gonna get hit I will leave you alone if your done but don't come close RIGHT after or im gonna let hands go.